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I 100% agree that the car didnt need it to have potential..

but the guy doing this is wanting over 800hp so he felt he would be better off....

its just like a mkiii doesnt need a 2jz or 1jz to have potential but people still do it..

if the 7m is done right with metal headgasket it can hold up to 500rwhp no problem...abd be reliable on stock bottom end and has been done several times... some hit more than that on stock bottom end...

and if you build the bottom end on a 7m( like the vq has to be to hit high hp numbers) it can hold up to some very high hp and has been done.. and by the sound of it its cheaper to build the bottom end of a 7m than a vq...


only point im trying to make is just because the engine that is in the car has potential certain people feel more comfortable with a different engine
 
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It will make more power and torque in NA form than a 2JZ-GE and can make more hp/tq with boost than a similar GTE.

The VQ has also been on Ward's top 10 since '95.
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Thats fine that it can make more power in NA form than a 2jzge, but guess what it doesnt make more power than ls7 now does it? Your telling me that it is a great engine by how much more power it makes over other engines from the factory? Well add the list up because I bet it makes more power than almost Honda's entire line.......

Well of course an engine with more compression will make more power pound for pound not being designed for turbo's than an engine with less compression that was designed around a turbo. The NA will make decent numbers turboed but will eventually blow and will be surpassed by the lower compression turbo engine. Guess which one will last a hell of a lot longer also.....

The VQ has been on the list of Wards top 10 eh? Thats great, I said the 3.5 v6 specifically isnt a great engine. For a family vehicle yea its fine, but for a sports car? C'mon they shouldve done a lot better.
 
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An example of what? No one is talking about LS7s. :dunno: We're talking about 2Js and VQ. That's it.


Again, I never said it was better than the 2J, just that it is a great motor in its own right.

I guess the 7M isn't fit for a sports/GT car either. Since, you know..., it needs to be built and stuff to make high hp or it'll blow.

Just an example.
 
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You said its a great engine.....correct?
I asked why.....
you said because it makes more power than a 2j.....
ls7 makes more power it must be a greater engine based upon your reasoning........for example of why the 3.5 v6 is great engine

Do I need to make it any more simpler than that?
 
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1jz is not a great engine to me since were on engines that we dont think is great.... not enough torque for me... and if you have to rebuild it well your in for some searching to find parts.... they all have there own little flaws...

come on guys there are engines out there that are better than others... we can all agree on that.. No one engine is superior...

were just partial to supras so were partial to the engines that come in them... nothing wrong with that.
 
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Well considering the 7m was used and designed in the 80's.....It actually did put out decent numbers for its time compared to other vehicles. A "sports car" in this time of day and age should be more "qualified" than just a 3.5 v6

For example of course
 
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1jz is not a great engine to me since were on engines that we dont think is great.... not enough torque for me... and if you have to rebuild it well your in for some searching to find parts.... they all have there own little flaws...

come on guys there are engines out there that are better than others... we can all agree on that.. No one engine is superior...
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Right. I agree. I never said VQ was superior to 2J. Just that it is a great motor and definately worthy to be used in a sports car.
 
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I just wanted to know why he thinks the 3.5 v6 is a great engine.

I found out he thinks it is a great engine because it makes more hp/tq than a 2j in NA form........

I just look at it, that it is the dumbest way to regard whether or not it is a "great engine"
 
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I think it is very worthy to be in a sports car..... plenty of potential..

theres alot of engines that make more hp than the 2j in na form... such as a 4.6 ford engine that comes in the mustangs.... he's just saying that its a good engine to be in that sports car... just like the 4.6 is a good engine in the mustangs and the 2j is a good engine for mk4 supras and 7m and 1j is a good engine for mk3 supras..


and you dont like the 3.5 v6 in a sports car but that is the reason you dont own a z and you own a supra.... stick with what you like.. I dont like the engine that come in the z's because when you turbo them its very hard to work on and get to the turbos... but thats why I own a supra love the engine and the car..
 
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Well considering the 7m was used and designed in the 80's.....It actually did put out decent numbers for its time compared to other vehicles. A "sports car" in this time of day and age should be more "qualified" than just a 3.5 v6

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The '08 Z makes 306hp from its "unqualified" 3.5 V6.
 
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I just wanted to know why he thinks the 3.5 v6 is a great engine.

I found out he thinks it is a great engine because it makes more hp/tq than a 2j in NA form........

I just look at it, that it is the dumbest way to regard whether or not it is a "great engine"
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It can also makes more hp/tq in turbo form than a GTE. And it's not like the engine is unreliable.

What else do you want me to say?
 
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Im not arguing the amounts of HP/TQ it makes that fine. But to judge an engine based upon that solely does NOT make it a "great engine"

Do you know anything about compression? Did you read my post regarding it?
 
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yes a higher compression engine will make more hp than a lower compression engine both n/a and yes a higher compression engine will make more hp than a lower compression engine with boost.. but only the lower compression engine will last longer due to its designed to be boosted...


cant we all just agree to disagree....
 
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Im not arguing the amounts of HP/TQ it makes that fine. But to judge a engine based upon that solely does NOT make it a "great engine"

Do you know anything about compression? Did you read my post regarding it?
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Lower the compression, up the boost to compensate. It's still able to make match or beat a 2J in hp/tq.

*It's called displacement*
 
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