275's all around!

Wiisass

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It sounded like you were implying that it was a bad idea to run wider tires in the front because it will accelerate wear on old stock parts that should've been replaced anyway. I was saying that it's similar to making more power and you will accelerate wear on drivetrain components or other parts of the car.

Bascially, everything that you do to the car exposes a weaker point in the car. Cars and every part of the car is a wear item. From the normally considered ones like tires, brake pads, clutches to engines, chassis, everything else for people who are really pushing it.

My point was why make a sacrifice in tire size just because it will expose a weak point somewhere else on the car that needs attention.
 

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Wiisass;940186 said:
It sounded like you were implying that it was a bad idea to run wider tires in the front because it will accelerate wear on old stock parts that should've been replaced anyway. I was saying that it's similar to making more power and you will accelerate wear on drivetrain components or other parts of the car.

Bascially, everything that you do to the car exposes a weaker point in the car. Cars and every part of the car is a wear item. From the normally considered ones like tires, brake pads, clutches to engines, chassis, everything else for people who are really pushing it.

My point was why make a sacrifice in tire size just because it will expose a weak point somewhere else on the car that needs attention.

I agree with you. (I have 245's up front)

The only reason I mentioned it is in case money, or ability to do the necessary repairs (like the ones that you mentioned) is going to be a problem.

I am doing my bushings right now, and as I'm sure you know...it isn't real cheap, and they're not the easiest thing to do if you don't have the equipment (lift, press, etc.):icon_bigg
 

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thanks for the comments.
Wiisass, suprabad - i understand that other components directly related to switching to bigger wheels/tires will be worn. hell, probably 3/4 of the MKIII's here probably haven't changed their bushings. I will do so in the future, just gotta get some more cash.

SSS - i'll shoot you a pm.

Fuzz - I wanted black, but it was in back order and i didn't want to wait. lol.

better pictures coming up later tonight when i get a hold of a camera.
 

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s0ulstar;940067 said:
i was discussing it with mister jose valle the other day. he told me to go for 275's all around.
Did you think to ask him exactly what his logic behind that would be? Only thing i can think of is that you can rotate with the rears.. but even still the cons far outweigh the positives
 

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I tried 245's all around and didn't like the way it handled the front end just didn't feel right, so I went back to the 225's on the front. It just gave me a better feel of what the front is doing under hard cornering.
 

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Wiisass;940134 said:
Maybe it's just me, but those fronts don't look like 275's. They look a little stretched on 9.5" wheels, like more of a 235 or 245 than a 275. But maybe it's just the pictures.

I think the Dunlop's have a pretty big rim protector built into the sidewall giving the appearance of stretch. I have seen the same tires in person and it wasn't that noticeable.
 

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MKivSupra_Rob;940697 said:
Did you think to ask him exactly what his logic behind that would be? Only thing i can think of is that you can rotate with the rears.. but even still the cons far outweigh the positives
mainly, GRIP. i'm more of a highway driver and i sometimes go for a canyon run. but mainly highway use. i'm happy with it, and have no complaints.

Wiisass;940134 said:
Maybe it's just me, but those fronts don't look like 275's. They look a little stretched on 9.5" wheels, like more of a 235 or 245 than a 275. But maybe it's just the pictures.
i guess that's the way it is. all 4 tires are 275's, but the rears are Run Flats, the fronts are not. i guess that might explain it. it does look a little stretched though.

i didn't get back in time for some daylight pics. so i'll take some and post them up tomorrow morning.
 

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AJ'S 88NA;940707 said:
I tried 245's all around and didn't like the way it handled the front end just didn't feel right, so I went back to the 225's on the front. It just gave me a better feel of what the front is doing under hard cornering.

Can you be more specific?

I ran much wider tires on the back for a while and noticed that it gave the car an "understeer" feel that wasn't present when I had same size on all 4 corners (245's). So I went back to 245's, except at the strip where I run 15" rims out back with much wider drag radials, but I don't have to turn at the dragstrip.

For everyday driving I think it messes up the balance of the car if you stagger the width's on the tires. Just my 2cents.:icon_bigg
 

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suprabad;940868 said:
Can you be more specific?

I ran much wider tires on the back for a while and noticed that it gave the car an "understeer" feel that wasn't present when I had same size on all 4 corners (245's). So I went back to 245's, except at the strip where I run 15" rims out back with much wider drag radials, but I don't have to turn at the dragstrip.

For everyday driving I think it messes up the balance of the car if you stagger the width's on the tires. Just my 2cents.:icon_bigg

Well it's more a feel that you get and to each his own. The front just felt heavy in cornering with 245's all around. Messing up the balance of the car with different sizes, I don't think so. In hard cornering I like to have more rubber in the rear because that's were you will have control when things start to break loose. I drive on the track and use the principle of some what "slow in and fast out".
Like I said is what you get used to, I could get used to the 245's in front and at least you could rotate them, but just didn't like the "feel".
Accually I'd like to have 275"s on the rear and the 225"s on the front, but my wheels aren't wide enough.
 

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MKIV's like most other modern cars where setup to understeer, and the tires help it in that end.

That's why staggered setups tend to be more user friendly.

I have my own experiences when I would have loved some understeer...
 

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bmoss85;939958 said:
thats sweet. post some more pics farther away please.
Daytime, farther away pics, as promised.
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why are the fronts looking streched and the rears look stuffed?

how does it feel driving? how balanced does it feel, does it throw the ass out, or feel like it needs a larger tire out back?
 

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FullNelson;942803 said:
why are the fronts looking streched and the rears look stuffed?

how does it feel driving? how balanced does it feel, does it throw the ass out, or feel like it needs a larger tire out back?

Different types of tires. They are both Dunlops but only the fronts are the Direzza's which have the lip protectors.
 

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Poodles;941573 said:
MKIV's like most other modern cars where setup to understeer, and the tires help it in that end.

That's why staggered setups tend to be more user friendly.

I have my own experiences when I would have loved some understeer...

The only instance I can think of that you might wish for understeer would be if you got into a corner waaay to hot, but if that's the case, I'm not sure understeer is going to save you.

Understeer=scary,
too much oversteer=scary,
neutral=good,
almost neutral w/ slight oversteer at traction limits=best.




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