2010 mustang revealed

[Poodles]

* 4.6L V8 engine with cold air induction along with Bullitt powertrain improvements on GT (315 horsepower with 320 ft-lbs of torque)
* Auto Headlamp on all GT and V6 Pony Package
* AdvanceTrac Electronic Stability Control (ESC) standard on all series
* Easy Fuel Capless Fuel Fill on all models
* Event Data Recorder (Black Box) * SOS Post Crash Alert System (Activates when Airbags deploy, Emergency flashers turn on, Engages horn and Doors unlock for quick exiting)

GT is going to be BARELY faster than a V6 Camaro...sad. Camaro will more than likely run circles around it in the corners as they still haven't ditched the idiotic suspension.

And of course the bolded part. I wonder how fast they're going to be killing warranties for going full throttle :3d_frown:

 

[03bamaGT]

The event data recorder only activates in the event of a crash. Ford actually encourages moderate customization.

Interesting that you say barely faster then a V6 Camaro. Guess I will have to find out when they come out, have to find one to race and see. But I doubt it.

What is idiotic about the suspension? The straight axle set up? The guys that buy the new Camaro will run into the same problems that the Terminator guys ran into, IRS BREAKAGE!!! Besides the Ford 9 inch, the current 8.8 is one of the best out there. The Camaro guys are not looking for an apex car, they want one that will go from street light to street light, as they always have.

I would probably take one over the Mustang though...I mean it has the engine that was touched by God in it, from what I hear the LS3 from the Vette. Should make some big power, but the rear end would be constantly on my mind with H/C/I only and maybe some NO2.

 

[Poodles]

New V6 Camaro is 300HP, and they haven't had too many issues with the GTO rears...

 

[03bamaGT]

V6 Camaro also weighs 200 more pounds then the 2010 and like 450 more then mine. Just don't see it being close to the GT.

All the high HP GTO's that I know went with SRA conversion. Just to be safe. But hey...maybe it will work, just don't know if that is what the F-Body guys were looking for.

 

[03bamaGT]

Hmm...this might turn into being the Mustang vs. Camaro debate like there was with the GT-R vs. What should have been the Z06 but ZR-1.

Obviously the Camaro will be faster...no replacement for displacement. But FI does wonders with our little Pony cars.

 

[zambini]

im going to keep this from being a mustang vs camaro debate by saying that mkiv supras cant be topped by either of these new automobiles, and for the price tag (despite financing difficulties) there shouldnt be any question, especially concerning anyone affiliated with this forum. if you want a fast late model mustang, get an 03-04. if you want a cool camaro... shit. buy a 67-69.

03bama, i never even saw a concept for this model, except for maybe/kinda the 'italdesign' orange concept by Fabrizio Giugiaro that they released a couple years back. did i miss something? i love looking at concept vs production cars..

 

[Justin727]

I'd still pimp a new camaro I just love the way they are designed and bama said it himself no replacement for displacement...

 

[03bamaGT]

im going to keep this from being a mustang vs camaro debate by saying that mkiv supras cant be topped by either of these new automobiles, and for the price tag (despite financing difficulties) there shouldnt be any question, especially concerning anyone affiliated with this forum. if you want a fast late model mustang, get an 03-04. if you want a cool camaro... shit. buy a 67-69.

03bama, i never even saw a concept for this model, except for maybe/kinda the 'italdesign' orange concept by Fabrizio Giugiaro that they released a couple years back. did i miss something? i love looking at concept vs production cars..

I am guessing you mean Terminators when you say 03-04? For some of us, yes, it would be more practical price wise. That or a LS based F-Body of some sort.

As for MKIV beating whatever...take a look at Dan Millens Outlaw car made by Livernois. There are tons of Mustangs out there, and F-Bodies that are just looking for their next MKIV kill. Mod for Mod...you can't outrun displacement.

There really was no official concept released, just a few teaser pics that FoMoCo posted over on Mustang Forums.

 

[zambini]

yeah but im saying for the price youll pay for a brand new mustang or camaro, you could have a mkiv.. probably lowered with wheels, bpu, at similar horsepower levels or higher depending how much you got the car for.

lol jelly bean vs brick. its weird how automotive design shifts from one extreme to the other

 

[RazoE]

I hate it when people say "you can always buy (insert used car that's been out of production for 10+ years), add this, and it'll be faster." Well duh, but you can't compare a 15 year old car to one that'll be released in a few months.

 

[Justin727]

but you can compare an I6 @ 320hp when it came out in the early 90's to a Brand new car that hasn't hit the road yet finally rated at more then 320hp..

 

[zambini]

and plus.. in my mind, yes you can compare those cars. they are production automobiles arent they? its not against the rules to say that if you have xx dollars, you can buy a new car, or you can buy a used car and use the remainder to modify/maintain it.

this is just my opinion, but i think i did successfully stop the mustang vs camaro debate:biglaugh:

 

[Justin727]

If I had a choice to buy a brand new car off the lot. I would have to settle for the camaro hands down.. IMHO it looks alot nicer

 

[Poodles]

I'll be interested in seeing how the new Camaro/Mustang handles. I know the GTO handles great, and the Challenger looks better than it goes...

 

[03bamaGT]

I am guessing the Mustang and Camaro will be sloppy from factory...but with minor mods, they will be carvers for sure.

Or better yet just buy a Fox Body for like 2k, throw a built motor in for like 5k, built trans for 3k, misc 5k, and bam...faster then all cars listed from stoplight to stoplight haha.

 

[suprahero]

I am guessing the Mustang and Camaro will be sloppy from factory...but with minor mods, they will be carvers for sure.

Or better yet just buy a MKIII for like 2k, throw a built motor in for like 5k, built trans for 3k, misc 5k, and bam...faster then all cars listed from stoplight to stoplight and city to city haha.

Fixed this for you Ryan............:evil2:

 

[Poodles]

There is this nice red convertable fox body for sale locally...

I don't like Mustangs, but it's damn clean and convertable is sweet...

 

[zambini]

the new american muscle cars will never handle. did you know: the new camaro is 2 inches longer and 1 inch wider than an f body? have you ever driven an f body car?? if they werent already boats, they sure as hell will be now. chargers: boats. mustangs: boats. camaros will be larger than both of those cars.

fucking boats people..

american crash test regulations force designs to be manufactured out of proportion. american cars must crumple and deform well enough to be able to strike a pedestrian at 25mph and not break a bone. there must be a significant amount of negative space between the unibody and the actual body panels for the car to crumple properly. the designs arent bad but the proportions are too large. the lines are too simple for such large vehicles. they will not handle well. period. they may be fast, and people will make badass drag cars of them, dont get me wrong, but dont think theyll ever take corners well.

 

[03bamaGT]

the new american muscle cars will never handle. did you know: the new camaro is 2 inches longer and 1 inch wider than an f body? have you ever driven an f body car?? if they werent already boats, they sure as hell will be now. chargers: boats. mustangs: boats. camaros will be larger than both of those cars.

fucking boats people..

american crash test regulations force designs to be manufactured out of proportion. american cars must crumple and deform well enough to be able to strike a pedestrian at 25mph and not break a bone. there must be a significant amount of negative space between the unibody and the actual body panels for the car to crumple properly. the designs arent bad but the proportions are too large. the lines are too simple for such large vehicles. they will not handle well. period. they may be fast, and people will make badass drag cars of them, dont get me wrong, but dont think theyll ever take corners well.

Haha...tell that to the Stage III Roush guys, or the Shelby GT/SC guys, etc. Or heck tell that to all the mildly modded susp. guys out there that autocross with them. Your post was ignorant and hillarious. MKIII are more of a boat then most Mustangs if I remember right. My car weighs 3250 without me in it, 3350 stock. Sound like a boat? Let's try not to be a nuthugging idiot next post. mmkay?

And yes, I have driven my fair share of F-Bodies. Don't consider them large or whatever. But F-Bodies are made to go in a straight line, and are very good at what they do.

I see how it is Jay, haha.

 

[rtrdpenguin]

The newer F-bodies aren't even that bad on the road course either, I've seen a lot better performance out of them than MKIIIs, that's for sure... And the 03/04 Cobras are simply beasts. Are they bigger and heavier than miatas or S2000s? Yes, but that doesn't mean they automatically suck at handling.

I don't think these new muscle cars will handle badly at all, that's what everyone already thinks about them and it's more than likely the manufacturers are trying to defeat that generalized belief.