1jz = Torque Monster!
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WeDgE said:Big turbo tends to do that.
Ahhhhhhh, so it's the turbo setup, not the engine. Thanks for making my point. :biglaugh:
1jz's are for pussies, who in their right mind would want a smaller motor with more power (stock), a smoother powerband, and a higher redline? Plus according to ricers, 2 turbos are better then 1.
I'm of course kidding about the pussies, I've ridin in one and I want one. Who cares what the torque numbers are if the thing is fast, smooth and a pleasure to drive!!
I love the 7m, trust me. But for an around the town car I'd rather have a 1j, save the 7m for the track :naughty:
I'm of course kidding about the pussies, I've ridin in one and I want one. Who cares what the torque numbers are if the thing is fast, smooth and a pleasure to drive!!
I love the 7m, trust me. But for an around the town car I'd rather have a 1j, save the 7m for the track :naughty:
WeDgE said:You're welcome. For the record, I've never had anything against 1Js.
I know, I'm just being a dork like usual :biglaugh:
An F1 engine on the street is crap, you are correct. I do not care how fast it is at 7000 RPM. It is a ricer mentality in the end that says you would rather spin the pump faster than have a bigger pump. The only car that is as smooth and quiet as my stock 7M is the Toyota V8. And it has 8 power pulses in 720 degrees, so it naturally will be smoother, yet it is only as good.
Nick M said:
so then all the F1 Engineers are Ricers, good Show
I have a Feeling they know a hell of allot more then us
it would also be a point to say that all the Manufacturers have been raising there redlines and trying to make them higher. Even on the V8's It is just a Natural evolution of the Engine. no one wants a 13L V8 that Redlines at 4500RPM Anymore. It is Ridiculous to even think along those lines.
Now with CVT Constant Variable Transmissions and Hybrid/Electric Assisted Cars. things will be much more interesting. As it will give us a whole new evolution on Engines and ways to go faster
Now with CVT Constant Variable Transmissions and Hybrid/Electric Assisted Cars. things will be much more interesting. As it will give us a whole new evolution on Engines and ways to go faster
bobiseverywhere said:
F1 engineers have to work with the limits given to them by the FIA. I'm sure if they weren't limited, they'd have larger displacement engines.
Now I do agree with you, higher redline is always an advantage, but so is displacement. I like having torque at low engine speeds as well as a high redline. I think the 1JZ is a good balance of both, and I think the 7M could use a bit more on the top end of things.
Any way you cut it, the 1JZ is a newer, more advanced design than the 7M, but that doesn't automatically make the 7M a bad design, even though it does have its flaws. (Read: HG). The fact of the matter is, I have no idea why people so adamantly defend the 7M and 1JZ, as if there is some sort of competition to be won.
I think at this point, 7M owners: drive a 1JZ, then you can talk. 1JZ owners: not everyone wants a 1JZ, let it go.
Lollerskates.
Jeff Lange said:
that is a good point Jeff
I am mostly writing these things to point out some of the arguments about the engine. People keep giving negatives about the 1J so i thought it would be good to do a comparison.
I don't think everyone should have a 1J just think that people need to recognize that the 7M is not perfect either.
for all the people arguing: Toyota developed the 1J and implemented it for a reason. If they thought it was not a good engine to put into production, Then we would have seen the Supra have the 7M and then the 2J.
With What you said Jeff, you could say that the 2JZ is the end result of taking the strengths of both the 7M and 1JZ, into one engine.
On a side note I trully wish the FIA would restrict F1 a little less. They Care about loss of life and that is important. It just has gotten to a point where teams and engineers are not allowed to come up with new concepts and think outside of the box. Like when the cars had Skirts, or one wheel braking, Slick tires. I am not one of those people that want to see the cars go back to the times of old, but just to make it posible for each team to be creative in there own way and come up with wild ideas on how to go faster.
The main reason for the FIa coming up with the most recent V8 Rule is to lower the running and development costs for the team Sponsors. The engine being smaller with less parts and having now to last two races. That was a Chalenge for the engineers.
We need to give them back the chalenges of old, free thinking.
just a small little thing
this does not sound ricer to me, It sounds like a sweet symphony
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7393939630149644203&q=F1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-236345357158387520&q=F1
this does not sound ricer to me, It sounds like a sweet symphony
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7393939630149644203&q=F1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-236345357158387520&q=F1
JustAnotherVictim
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suprahero said:
If i was one of the guys slaving away on that team to have the car up and running working and working right i think i would be clapping to after a good test. They were pushing that engine quite hard. If you think about it there was no air flow either for cooling it down and the engine did not die or overheat