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*From another thread*
I usually never do, and I hate doing it, and I don't mean to pick on ONLY you, because there are other people out there that believe what you do...., but words cannot explain how irritated I am by this post. I could say a lot of things, but I'll keep my mouth shut.
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bonus12 said:
I usually never do, and I hate doing it, and I don't mean to pick on ONLY you, because there are other people out there that believe what you do...., but words cannot explain how irritated I am by this post. I could say a lot of things, but I'll keep my mouth shut.
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Some of the new robot/servo shifted and clutch'd transmissions are the fastest in the world. (Thus the reason they use them in F1 and many other forms of motorsports.)
Traditional "automatics" that use a tourqe converter are going to become rare as this technology advances, or at the very least, will become hybridized to fit into the latest designs.
Look at the Veyon to see the future of transmision design. (Never really is out of gear, just the milliseconds between engaging the two clutches and dual racks of gears.)
No loss of boost pressure, no loss of power with slipping tourqe converters, or the heat they produce and then you lose when cooling the fluid. (All heat is energy loss if you think of it that way.)
Traditional "automatics" that use a tourqe converter are going to become rare as this technology advances, or at the very least, will become hybridized to fit into the latest designs.
Look at the Veyon to see the future of transmision design. (Never really is out of gear, just the milliseconds between engaging the two clutches and dual racks of gears.)
No loss of boost pressure, no loss of power with slipping tourqe converters, or the heat they produce and then you lose when cooling the fluid. (All heat is energy loss if you think of it that way.)
just wanted to add that there is NO room in a f1 car for a normal shifter, maybee not a clutch eitherAdjuster said:
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There is no room? The shifter paddles are generally mounted to the steering yoke now. Most steering wheels have been replaced by yokes so they can also mount the critical data screens and lamps up where the top of a steering wheel would reside....
Besides, not much need to turn the yoke very far on the F1 cars, so the hands on the yoke works out very well.
Back on subject, they have a clutch, or even clutches, but they are actuated by the computer and robotics that also shift the transmission. The cool part is with an electric throttle, and the right programing, the engine blips the throttle between shifts, and matches engine rpm to transmission rack rpm, so no need to double clutch, the computer does it all for you. Very easy on the gears on acleration and decleration.
Besides, not much need to turn the yoke very far on the F1 cars, so the hands on the yoke works out very well.
Back on subject, they have a clutch, or even clutches, but they are actuated by the computer and robotics that also shift the transmission. The cool part is with an electric throttle, and the right programing, the engine blips the throttle between shifts, and matches engine rpm to transmission rack rpm, so no need to double clutch, the computer does it all for you. Very easy on the gears on acleration and decleration.
Adjuster said:
except for the fact that they are pushing 800+hp through the transmission :biglaugh:
sorry?89jdm7m said:
I see way too many riced out cars, 99% of which are auto versions of something that could've been cool. Your riceboy counterparts have given automatics a bad name, if you can show me otherwise then do so.
On the topic of losing boost between shifts, i have the SOGI short shift done and with the stock recirc-BOV system i can spool very quick as:
A) by the time i'm in the next gear and back on the gas, not all the boost has leaked out
B) the boost leaking out is feeding the cold side of the turbo to keep it spooled
So it would seem the only lag is created by having to re-pressurize the intake piping
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f1 doesn't use a shifter but F3 or sumthing like that uses a shifet (though not like our shifter), just up and down i guess
Guys:
-Autos are typically faster in the 1/4 mile due to the fact that the auto provides continuous torque output with continuous load. Remember cars don't boost unless they have load.
-The future of Automatics aren't really automatic at all. Besides from not having a clutch, the buck stops there. The future is a torque converter based system. For instance, you press on the gas to make the engine accellerate @ 3500rpm. The engine will stay in this optimal accelleration rpm point all the way to 70mph or more.
-F1 cars do have clutches. They are controlled - traction wise by the computer, especially on launches. The driver is simply there to push the buttons and be a rocket pilot through the corners (which by no means is easy). They do shift. They do have gear packs. They are rated at close to 1000hp @ 18,500+rpms.
-Autos are typically faster in the 1/4 mile due to the fact that the auto provides continuous torque output with continuous load. Remember cars don't boost unless they have load.
-The future of Automatics aren't really automatic at all. Besides from not having a clutch, the buck stops there. The future is a torque converter based system. For instance, you press on the gas to make the engine accellerate @ 3500rpm. The engine will stay in this optimal accelleration rpm point all the way to 70mph or more.
-F1 cars do have clutches. They are controlled - traction wise by the computer, especially on launches. The driver is simply there to push the buttons and be a rocket pilot through the corners (which by no means is easy). They do shift. They do have gear packs. They are rated at close to 1000hp @ 18,500+rpms.
its kinda funny how a question on 0-60 times and HP turned into a auto vs manual argument. does it honestly matter what other people drive? will you loose sleep if a person has a(n) xx tranny? let people drive what they will and how they want to(as long as they dont endanger ppl on the road). keep the opinion questions to the opinion threads, and the fact questions to the fact threads.
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no not stock,ValgeKotkas said:
stock turbo 3" turbo back mandrel bent exh. 8-10lbs of boost and an apexi intake. I was Auto btw.
suprarich said:
I have to agree. I had an automatic, and did the five speed swap two months ago. My best in my auto was 8.73 in an 1/8 and my best so far is 9.17 with the five speed. My trap speed is faster with the manual, but I spin alot more. I hardly ever spun with the auto. Sorry for the off topic, but this seems to be the topic now.
I haven't timed my 0-60 yet because my speedometer is off a little right now. When mine saids 60, I'm actually doing 71mph. If I had to put a time on 0-60 I would say.............pretty quick..............
