wheel camber help

shenronzero

spitfire
Oct 19, 2007
407
0
0
orlando/ New Smyrna Beach FL
hey guys. I have eibach springs and I don't remember what kind of struts on. the front is fine but the rear is off and its adjusted as far as it can be but its still not right. anyone else have this problem? any suggestions?

thanks
 

BorHor

2JZ-GZE
Jan 10, 2006
6,181
1
38
36
San Jose, CA
How bad is bad? have the specs? the shock could be the cause too though. It being warn can cause bad toe which might seem like a camber warn tire. If it is wearing out fast it is more likely bad toe.
 

BorHor

2JZ-GZE
Jan 10, 2006
6,181
1
38
36
San Jose, CA
From it bouncing around all the time because of it being blown. And when the car goes up and down the toe changes. If the shock is blown the car will sit way more different then when it is standing still so the toe angle will be different then what it said on the alignment rack.
 

IJ.

Grumpy Old Man
Mar 30, 2005
38,728
0
0
62
I come from a land down under
LMAO stop thinking you're going to hurt something!

Dead shocks will be lots of small deflection oscilations and minimal toe change so I can't see it being an issue.

On big hits enough to affect toe like you're thinking the car would be a kangaroo and undrivable.

Our suspension is pretty good regarding bumpsteer front and rear as there's minimal geometry change compared to some cars (My Z car bumpsteered like a bitch)

There's a point though when you lower the rear you run out of adjustment so you can have either good toe or good camber but not both so maybe the OP is right at that point?

I did an 1800 KM round trip with crap toe out on the rear, didn't notice any tire wear and the car was insanely stable at high speed but didn't want to turn in for corners.
 

HommerSimpson

New Member
Dec 31, 2007
1,067
0
0
New Smyrna Beach Florida
acually if you disconect yoru shock and your suspension moves in any direction it did not before... you got some issues...
the struts/shocks on our cars have absolutly nothing to do with camber toe or anything other then hold the car up and provide SHOCK... now take a vw yes they do as they are the upper control of the suspension.. just a strut and lower control arm... but not on ours... mater fact i will be ditching my shocks for conventional coilovers oneday...

as far as the op if you take out the lower inside control arm bolts... and drop the control arm you can enlongate that hole more towards center of car.. there for pulling in the bottom of tire... or you can get adjustable control arms or you can make something as i did in links below someplace...
 

shenronzero

spitfire
Oct 19, 2007
407
0
0
orlando/ New Smyrna Beach FL
thanks for the help so far but to be more specific the top of the tire is tilted inward twords the car. so the tires are wearing faster on the inside of the tire. so are we thinking bad/warn shocks? is there a pillow or something that could be put at the top?
 

BorHor

2JZ-GZE
Jan 10, 2006
6,181
1
38
36
San Jose, CA
IJ.;1061699 said:
Mk3's are double a arm front and rear the shocks have NOTHING to do with alignment.
Are you sure about this.. When you lower the car the camber goes off which in turn also messes up the toe.
 

IJ.

Grumpy Old Man
Mar 30, 2005
38,728
0
0
62
I come from a land down under
If it's aligned for the correct ride height there will be minimal toe/camber change in it's normal range of travel. (when I had my Koni's built I had them short stroke the shocks to further lessen the amount of change)

My post was more to address the OP's question about shocks/pillow mounts affecting the alignment as on a McStrut car.
 

HommerSimpson

New Member
Dec 31, 2007
1,067
0
0
New Smyrna Beach Florida
shenronzero;1061697 said:
thanks for the help so far but to be more specific the top of the tire is tilted inward twords the car. so the tires are wearing faster on the inside of the tire. so are we thinking bad/warn shocks? is there a pillow or something that could be put at the top?

okey dokey... go crawl under your car... look at the lower control arms.. there are 3 on each side... one in the front leave it alone... one in the middle and then the one you will see hooked to the diferantial of car... Ok now if ANY of them bushings on the lower or UPPER are worn out can cause this to.. but lowering car tilts the top of tire in.. now the factory only lets ya adjust it so much... the best way to fix is to just get some adjustable lower control arms...the middle one and the rear...now you can enlogate them holes some but you can only get so much.. but you need to look for wore out bushings for starters... and replace any of them... but if you have a something like a air driemal with a rasp thingy.. it only takes a few minuts...now before i choped mine all up it looked like i could get a easy 1/4 inch more so thats total of 1/2 inch 1/4 in + top goes 1/4 out....
hope that helps