what are these and can i do without them?

[Swifty]

Ok so we know what could happen, and people have deleted these items without problems. Has anyone actually ran into any serious problems or anything mentioned earlier in this thread?

 

[Poodles]

Ok so we know what could happen, and people have deleted these items without problems. Has anyone actually ran into any serious problems or anything mentioned earlier in this thread?

Usually, they get a BHG some time down the road and blame it on the "shitty 7M."

I´ve deleted everything in my 2 supras, EGR, VSV and all that other stupid stuff.
No problems so far, both has been driven for 2 years.. Both 300-400hp.
No difference in what so ever..

"I did it and it's fine" doesn't fly here.

 

[Devin LeBlanc]

Moron's it was there for a reason, Leave it, your not going to gain shit for removing 2 lbs worth of the EGR system and a VSV.. And in the long run you'll wish you hadn't

Listen to what people are saying, Especially the ones that are Mod's. They are mod's for a reason and have experience and ways to back it up. So listen...

 

[D.J.T.]

Moron's it was there for a reason, Leave it, your not going to gain shit for removing 2 lbs worth of the EGR system and a VSV.. And in the long run you'll wish you hadn't

Listen to what people are saying, Especially the ones that are Mod's. They are mod's for a reason and have experience and ways to back it up. So listen...

SHHHHHHHT. I Bought the EGR System for my engine & installed it! I bought it from you Devin if i remember correctly. LOL

 

[SupraBro]

i have a question, i did my build about a year ago and i bought the suprasport block off plates and removed all of the egr stuff. a few people told me to just block the stuff off because the stuff was old an prob did not work. i want to do the right thing, is it best to get a jdm ecu or buy a new egr setup??? do you guys think it is worth the time and money??

thanks, brandon

 

[Amstaff]

How many hard builders leave EGR in their cars?

I can understand cars running in the US, with their emissions rules.
But here in Sweden almost everyone removes EGR, and we still dont have BHG / 7M / Rod problems as much as you guys in the US have anyways..

Letting your engine suck bad air as in this case, exhaust gases, is like driving without airfilter.
Compare blocked EGR enginge towards EGR engine and you´ll notice the non EGR engine is cleaner.
Both my intake manifolds looked like crap before with EGR.
And still, it takes gases from the 6 cylinder, not 1-6, its 1 cylinder, thats a huge difference compared to other cars that inhales gases from every cylinder.

And still, MK3 ECU isnt stupid, ofcourse it will adjust your AFR etc as it did with EGR.

EGR doesnt activate under WOT, so if you remove EGR and get so high EGT once cruising then you probably have some more problems with other things like ignition.
There are thousands of forums posts about high EGT and low boost cruising on the net, WITH EGR!
So why do they get high EGT when their EGR is in use?
http://www.google.se/#hl=sv&source=...+boost&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&fp=9b7502d025da1ddd

Still, I would really want to see any hard facts about EGR, EGT etc and not "I know a guy who heard that his friend got 200*F higher EGT and then he got BHG because of that".
Yeah I know a guy who pushed his CT26 to 1500hp but I dont have it on paper, but it´s true, why would he lie?

And even if you fuck up your EGT because of EGR, and you will fuck up your EGT in 1000 other ways before you reach your goal, there is always methods to lower EGT, like ignition timing, turbo pressure and fuel.

As I said, I´ve removed EGR on both my Supras, I´ve pushed them so hard and still havent had any rod / bhg problems.
I use good oil, 1cm over MAX on oilstick.. not "I just noticed that my oil level was under MIN and now my 7M is fucked up, that enginge really sucks", as you would hear from "a friend of a friend".

How many of you even know that your 20y old EGR still works?

 

[3p141592654]

The EGR source is from the #6 exhaust port, but that is irrelevant. The gas is routed to all intake ports via the surge tank. The reason your intake is black is from the PCV not EGR.

JDUB is the guy who measured the reduction in EGTs. The post is on this site.

And let's kill the myth that #6 is the cylinder that fails first. That is not supported by the facts. There are hundreds of pictures on this site of bad head gaskets, and the failures show no particular preference for #6. What they do show is egg shaped fire rings encroaching into the coolant cutouts.

 

[Poodles]

How many hard builders leave EGR in their cars?

I can understand cars running in the US, with their emissions rules.
But here in Sweden almost everyone removes EGR, and we still dont have BHG / 7M / Rod problems as much as you guys in the US have anyways..

Letting your engine suck bad air as in this case, exhaust gases, is like driving without airfilter.
Compare blocked EGR enginge towards EGR engine and you´ll notice the non EGR engine is cleaner.
Both my intake manifolds looked like crap before with EGR.
And still, it takes gases from the 6 cylinder, not 1-6, its 1 cylinder, thats a huge difference compared to other cars that inhales gases from every cylinder.

And still, MK3 ECU isnt stupid, ofcourse it will adjust your AFR etc as it did with EGR.

EGR doesnt activate under WOT, so if you remove EGR and get so high EGT once cruising then you probably have some more problems with other things like ignition.
There are thousands of forums posts about high EGT and low boost cruising on the net, WITH EGR!
So why do they get high EGT when their EGR is in use?
http://www.google.se/#hl=sv&source=...+boost&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&fp=9b7502d025da1ddd

Still, I would really want to see any hard facts about EGR, EGT etc and not "I know a guy who heard that his friend got 200*F higher EGT and then he got BHG because of that".
Yeah I know a guy who pushed his CT26 to 1500hp but I dont have it on paper, but it´s true, why would he lie?

And even if you fuck up your EGT because of EGR, and you will fuck up your EGT in 1000 other ways before you reach your goal, there is always methods to lower EGT, like ignition timing, turbo pressure and fuel.

As I said, I´ve removed EGR on both my Supras, I´ve pushed them so hard and still havent had any rod / bhg problems.
I use good oil, 1cm over MAX on oilstick.. not "I just noticed that my oil level was under MIN and now my 7M is fucked up, that enginge really sucks", as you would hear from "a friend of a friend".

How many of you even know that your 20y old EGR still works?

Considering it's an EXTREMELY easy test to see if it work (plus emissions testing) I know mine works fine.

Running EGR is not like running without an air filter. Carbon actually coats your pistons acting like a thermal barrier. Sand on the other hand (like if you didn't run an air filter) will rapidly destroy your engine. If you want to clean your intake, disconnect the PCV system, but that too is idiotic since it helps your rings seal and reduces pumping losses.

Also, this subject has been beaten to death here. Do a search (hint: type in EGR* to get past the 3 letter lockout), and go find the countless threads.

Also also, "hard builders" run standalone engine management. And no, it's not the lean part, it's the fact the engine expects inert gasses to be in the cambers (from EGR), raising the detonation threshold. ECU runs advanced timing to take advantage of this. Also, speaking as someone who has blocked off his EGR at one point because of an issue, the engine response sucks without it.

i have a question, i did my build about a year ago and i bought the suprasport block off plates and removed all of the egr stuff. a few people told me to just block the stuff off because the stuff was old an prob did not work. i want to do the right thing, is it best to get a jdm ecu or buy a new egr setup??? do you guys think it is worth the time and money??

thanks, brandon

Depends what's cheaper to find. Also, if you have emissions testing, it's cheaper to install the EGR than deal with getting it to pass.

 

[Swifty]

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Moron's it was there for a reason, Leave it, your not going to gain shit for removing 2 lbs worth of the EGR system and a VSV.. And in the long run you'll wish you hadn't

Listen to what people are saying, Especially the ones that are Mod's. They are mod's for a reason and have experience and ways to back it up. So listen...

Let's get something straight. I'm a master certified ase technician. Im in no way a "Moron".

 

[Amstaff]

Considering it's an EXTREMELY easy test to see if it work (plus emissions testing) I know mine works fine.

Running EGR is not like running without an air filter. Carbon actually coats your pistons acting like a thermal barrier. Sand on the other hand (like if you didn't run an air filter) will rapidly destroy your engine. If you want to clean your intake, disconnect the PCV system, but that too is idiotic since it helps your rings seal and reduces pumping losses.

Also, this subject has been beaten to death here. Do a search (hint: type in EGR* to get past the 3 letter lockout), and go find the countless threads.

Also also, "hard builders" run standalone engine management. And no, it's not the lean part, it's the fact the engine expects inert gasses to be in the cambers (from EGR), raising the detonation threshold. ECU runs advanced timing to take advantage of this. Also, speaking as someone who has blocked off his EGR at one point because of an issue, the engine response sucks without it.


Depends what's cheaper to find. Also, if you have emissions testing, it's cheaper to install the EGR than deal with getting it to pass.

Still, dont find any hard facts.

It´s like writing "I got 800hp on the Dyno but I lost the papers".

And still, ppl get high EGT With EGR, when driving up hills or cruising.
I take my 2 years as hard facts, and no, my engines wont blow up.

And yes we have emissions testing here too, but there is No difference in before / after on my cars, nothing what so ever.

 

[Poodles]

I told you, search. I'm not doing the work for you.

 

[Swifty]

poodles, is your fender smashed in at the top?

 

[Poodles]

These are not the droids you're looking for...

 

[SupraBro]

Depends what's cheaper to find. Also, if you have emissions testing, it's cheaper to install the EGR than deal with getting it to pass.[/QUOTE]


thanks for the reply, i do not have emissions here in tn. but i am about to put my 57trim on with the other proper upgrades.Will the piggyback setup take care of this problem or is it proper to still run the EGR along with the upgrades

thanks again,
brandon

 

[Poodles]

Piggyback doesn't adjust timing (though it can adjust it indirectly as adjusting the AFM signal changes the timing map, this is mainly why you tune conservatively with piggybacks).