what are the advantages to a ffim
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FFIM Flows more. has more CFM 
and it looks alot better,
Quick Explanation but you should understand from it
and it looks alot better,Quick Explanation but you should understand from it
wouldnt think it is necessary till you upgrade the turbo a good bit and other mods. i would think the higher boost you run the more advantage to the FFIM. I dont know what boost level it would be.
the benefits from a ffim are many
1. shorter distance = less piping = better throttle response and less lag
2. better more efficient design w/ more cfms
3. better design by not crossing over the turbo and exhaust mani
4. cleans up the engine bay
5. more "drop in" peices for intercoolers
as for not upgrading till running higher boost thats both true and not. the benefits are huge and you will make more power simply by swapping manifolds. they will of course be higher with bigger turbos and higher boost but i think that it is a modification that everyone should look into. ffims have been proven to provide better more even flow to all cycls overall.
1. shorter distance = less piping = better throttle response and less lag
2. better more efficient design w/ more cfms
3. better design by not crossing over the turbo and exhaust mani
4. cleans up the engine bay
5. more "drop in" peices for intercoolers
as for not upgrading till running higher boost thats both true and not. the benefits are huge and you will make more power simply by swapping manifolds. they will of course be higher with bigger turbos and higher boost but i think that it is a modification that everyone should look into. ffims have been proven to provide better more even flow to all cycls overall.
Just what all the above have stated.
To put it in simple terms, stock, our cars go the long, hard way to the intercooler...Just look at it as a shortcut.
To put it in simple terms, stock, our cars go the long, hard way to the intercooler...Just look at it as a shortcut.
^^ Agrred. Also gives you better throttle response. Also gives you a larger selection of IC's.
*Edit* last several post already pointed this out but weren't there when i went to post.
*Edit* last several post already pointed this out but weren't there when i went to post.
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A FFIM will make it tons easier to change spark plugs or to do anything on top of the engine, really. The rerouting and shortening of the IC piping provides so many benefits, most of which have already been listed here.
Also, you get the benefit of having a tb flange for whatever throttle body you want, allowing you access to a wider selection of throttle bodies.
In regards to performance benefits, it's hard to judge the effect of just the FFIM. Sure it may flow more or whatever, but when you go from stock to FFIM setup you should also go stock IC hardpipes (upgrade from stock) and a decent quality FMIC (upgrade from stock) which alone will improve your boost response, plus you'll have less pressure drop across the upgraded FMIC vs. the stock IC. It's hard to compare apples to apples with an FMIC setup unless you've already got a side to side FMIC and hardpipes--in which case you've got even more piping than stock!
Also, you get the benefit of having a tb flange for whatever throttle body you want, allowing you access to a wider selection of throttle bodies.
In regards to performance benefits, it's hard to judge the effect of just the FFIM. Sure it may flow more or whatever, but when you go from stock to FFIM setup you should also go stock IC hardpipes (upgrade from stock) and a decent quality FMIC (upgrade from stock) which alone will improve your boost response, plus you'll have less pressure drop across the upgraded FMIC vs. the stock IC. It's hard to compare apples to apples with an FMIC setup unless you've already got a side to side FMIC and hardpipes--in which case you've got even more piping than stock!
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so whats a rough estamite on the cost to switch to ffim and the intercooler and piping and anything else i need. and whats a good tb
To answer the first question, the front facing has no advantage. The intercooler rerouting does, and you can make a larger intake plenum are the advantages.
The direction of the throttle body plays no part in power production.
The direction of the throttle body plays no part in power production.
Someone posted flow figures that showed the GTE intake to have more even flow than a modded FFI but this doesn't tell the full story as it's really hard to flow test an Intake under positive pressure.
Add boost and all bets are off!
Add boost and all bets are off!
actually IJ; I saw flow numbers which led me to purchase a modified stock GTE manifold to FFIM. It flowed approx. 7 % better than stock and more evenly across all cylinders.
Disced: The one I'm thinking of was a 2JZ cutNshut Vs a GTE.
Doesn't really matter anyway as I said once you boost it means very little and even flow off boost isn't going to be a huge benefit as the motor isn't making much in the way of power (might help drivability a tiny amount).
Doesn't really matter anyway as I said once you boost it means very little and even flow off boost isn't going to be a huge benefit as the motor isn't making much in the way of power (might help drivability a tiny amount).
Since this is a thread about the stock manifold and routing as well.. i consider this relavent.
BUT.. the idea of radiant heat entering my cooled air with my stock intake manifold setup drives me nuts (IC pipe passing over turbo). Is heatwrap a good solution.. or does it do a better job absorbing and containing the heat than deflecting it? BTW I run all stock heat shields but that hard pipe becomes amazingly hot in the summer.
BUT.. the idea of radiant heat entering my cooled air with my stock intake manifold setup drives me nuts (IC pipe passing over turbo). Is heatwrap a good solution.. or does it do a better job absorbing and containing the heat than deflecting it? BTW I run all stock heat shields but that hard pipe becomes amazingly hot in the summer.
what would happin if i just cut off the end of the 7m intake sealed the current inlet and welded the bracket for the tb on the side. or does the taper on the intakes have something to do with it.
The one thing you can do lose is distribution. But since the FFIM is custom, the machinist can blend it on a flow bench.
no seriously if i just cut off the front part of the 7m im and welded the tb braket to the front without any other mods of would this effect my distrabution to much to work?whenmunkysfly said:
one major andvantage too is that your intercooler piping doesnt come within about 4 inches of the turbo after the intercooler