what are ARP studs and bolts? what do they do?

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I wouldnt think it would distort with out heat anyway... Motor hasnt been started yet, actually hasnt been installed yet... So, if I decide to pull them and put oil on them, can I pull one at a time and reinstall? Or should I pull all of them and reinstall?
 

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Reign_Maker said:
I wouldnt think it would distort with out heat anyway... Motor hasnt been started yet, actually hasnt been installed yet... So, if I decide to pull them and put oil on them, can I pull one at a time and reinstall? Or should I pull all of them and reinstall?


I'd pull all of them and re-install...you don't want to have any uneven torque at all. It's good the head has not been heated up yet ;)
 

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When you talk about the oil, is that the threads that go in the head and the threads the nut goes on, or just the threads that go in the head?
 

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I think it's just the ones for the nut, you may want to put it on the ones that go into the head just in case. The studs are only suppost the put in hand tight, so I'd think the stud wouldn't tighten much more once you tq it down. BTW, forgot all about the dowels on the head, sorry ;).
 

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If you can get some more moly, that's best...just go to 81 ft/lbs torque.

I just use straight 30W motor oil...make sure you clean all the moly off both the nut and stud with a solvent or brake cleaner. The studs to the head are meant to be installed dry...hand tight. The oil (or moly) goes on the nut/stud.
 

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You ever go on a trip and start thinking: Did I turn off the coffee pot? Yeah I did... Wait... Did I? I THINK I did... What if I didnt?! OMG!

See, thats what Im goin through right now... I think I put the studs in dry... But maybe I put moly on them... I cant remember... OMG! ARRRGH! Im just gunna pull the head off... Put 30w oil all over the place, and tighten it back down to 100 or so... :D:D:D
 

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So why is oil better than moly at 105?

And I know IM totally robbin this guys thread, but maybe others will learn from this... *see people, I dont know everything, Im still learning*

So, I should pull my head off? Or, will that mess up my mhg after being crushed?
 

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Here's some info from the ARP site that will answer your question:

If the stretch method cannot be used in a particular installation, and the fasteners must be installed by torque alone, there are certain factors that should be taken into account. ARP research has verified the following “rules” pertaining to use of a torque wrench:

1. The friction factor changes from one application to the next. That is, the friction is at its highest value when the fastener is first tightened. Each additional time the fastener is torqued and loosened, this value gets smaller. Eventually the friction levels out and becomes constant for all following repetitions. Therefore, new fasteners should be tightened and loosened through several cycles before applying final torque. The number of times depends on the lubricant. For all situations where ARP lubricants are used, five cycles are required before final torquing.

2. The lubricant used is the main factor in determining friction, and therefore, the torque for a particular installation. Motor oil is a commonly used lubricant because of it’s ready availability. If less friction is desired in order to install the fasteners with less torque, special low friction lubricants are available. With special lubes, the required torque can be reduced as much as 20 to 30 percent. It is important to keep in mind that the reverse is also true. If the torque value has been specified for a particular fastener on the basis of low friction lube, installing the fastener with motor oil will result in insufficient preload; the torque has to be increased to compensate for the extra friction caused by the motor oil.

3. Surface finish is also important. For example, black oxide behaves differently than a polished fastener. It is therefore important to observe the torque recommendations supplied with each fastener.

NOTE: It is possible for even the most expensive of torque wrenches to lose accuracy. We have seen fluctuations of as much as ten (10) foot pounds of torque from wrench to wrench. Please have your torque wrench checked periodically for accuracy.


ARP moly has less friction, therefore requires less torque per the discussion above. After reading this again, did you torque, then back off and re-torque? ARP recommends this be done 5 times on their fastners...so, here's what you do since you already have moly on the studs: Back all the nuts off and retorque to 81 ft/lbs. Technically, you should repeat 3 more times...but, that's your call. Now that I think about it (it's the CRS thing again), I did mine a total of 3 times on initial install...I did do a re-torque after 500 miles or so.

Here's the ARP tech info site...all you wanted to know, but were afraid to ask ;)
http://www.arp-bolts.com/Tech/Tech.html
 

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Thanks Jdub... But do you think running 30+psi of boost I should torque to 105 or drop to 81? I just wanna reduce the risk of bhg...

Im gunna check the site... +1 for all the help man...
 

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Reign_Maker said:
Thanks Jdub... But do you think running 30+psi of boost I should torque to 105 or drop to 81? I just wanna reduce the risk of bhg...

Im gunna check the site... +1 for all the help man...


I would drop to 81 ft/lbs...I'm pretty sure your studs are ok since you have not run the motor. Same for distorting the head...you've put no real stress on it. More torque is not necessarily better...like I said earlier, you approached the rated strength of the studs. 81 ft/lbs with the slippery moly will work fine...go through a few loosening/tightening cycles prior to final torque down. I think you're gonna be fine. I would do a re-torque after you get the motor in after at least 5 heat cycles.

And you're welcome ;)
 

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Hey Jdub, thanks... So should I break them loose and retorque one at a time, or just go through and break them all loose and retorque in proper order? :D:D:D *this convo just keeps going and going and going, lol*
 

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Ok, Jdub, I took yur advice... I broke them free and retorqued them... I retorqued them four times... I started at 60, 70, 80, 85... I feel pretty good about it...