http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents-docex/Iraq/Audio-transcripts/DOCEX Saddam 030306.pdf
This is a recorded meeting where Saddam, Tariq Aziz & others talk about what the UN weapons inspectors really know & they try to figure out what they will be looking for. Aziz thought that the UN Inspectors didn't have a clue, but Lt Gen Husayn, had a different view. Lieutenant General Husayn (don't know what his capacity is) lays down the truth (pick up his qoute in the middle of page 7):
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[Husayn] Thanks, Sir. I did not want to speak so openly were it not for your Excellency's raising and explaining the issue, and the statement by Tariq that we produced biological weapons.
We did not explain all we have. They can raise against us now or after one year or two three issues on the subject of the missiles. One is the place. The second is our work, which they don't know, on the subject of the missiles. Sir, this is my job and I know it very well. I have been at it for some time and it is not easy. The issues are much more dangerous than what they know. And I will explain them to you now.
On the subject of the chemical file, which we believe they will raise, we think that the biological file is the only problem. No, Sir, I believe that they have full details on the rockets, as well, if they want to raise them, as I said, because we have not finished with it.
It is possible, Sir, they have a problem that is a great deal bigger than the biological file: The types of weapons, the materials we imported, the product which we told them about, and the degree of their use. All of that was not correct. And all of them do not know. We did not say that we used them against Iran and we did not say the amount of chemical weapons we produced. We also did not say anything about the type of chemical weapons and the important materials in reality.
Therefore, Sir, if they want to raise problems the biological field will not be an excuse. No, Sir, I differ and I must be frank to you, I differ completely on this subject. They want one section after another. At present, they have not pressured us and we did not announce it.
Sir, I will go back and say it is better for us to decide whether to announce or not to announce it.
On the nuclear file, Sir, I mean on the biological file, we also differ with them, not only on the 17 tons; no, we have a well-known quantity. We have teams; a team working in the same direction while another does not know.
How could they not know, if they wanted? There are means for knowing that. We have materials that we imported from the United States and they know their quantity. We also have materials imported from Europe and they know their quantity also.
Therefore, Sir, if someone wants to create a problem, we have to be careful to find out: Does he want to make peace or create a new relationship quietly? No, Sir, I differ here.
On the nuclear file, Sir, we are saying that we disclosed everything? No, we have undeclared problems in the nuclear field, and I believe that they know them. Some teams work and no one knows some of them. Sir, I am sorry for speaking so clearly. Everything is over. But, did they know? No, Sir, they did not know; not all the methods, not all the means, not all the scientists, and not all the places.
Frankly, yes some activities were discovered. Even when we are here and your Excellency is aware that the biological file is the same, no, Sir, the biological file is the least and I am sorry to say the most insignificant. We must begin to talk with them, Sir, because the 17 tons are not the problem, but the thousands of tons here and the thousands of tons there and where did they go, how they were produced, and how they were used.
Really, Sir, we must be frank so that the resolution will be straightforward, and not biological in the afternoon, missiles the following morning, and nuclear the day after.
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continued on page 9, mid page
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Our problems, Sir, will continue even if we admitted. As long as we do not admit, it will be plotting, Sir, in my opinion because it is not correct and we cannot say that this is correct that we admit the biological file. He could raise against us the items we bought from the United States; materials for the chemical weapons.
With just this one, the biological file, Sir, is very small.
He said that we admitted the different types of weapons. We did not admit them. We said that we tried to discuss them, but the fact is, it is not possible, Sir, under our present situation, to say that this is not correct. No, it is better to say that it is correct because the time to end the problem with Iraq will be a long one. This is how I see it, regrettably, Sir, but this is the fact. Thank you.
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This is a recorded meeting where Saddam, Tariq Aziz & others talk about what the UN weapons inspectors really know & they try to figure out what they will be looking for. Aziz thought that the UN Inspectors didn't have a clue, but Lt Gen Husayn, had a different view. Lieutenant General Husayn (don't know what his capacity is) lays down the truth (pick up his qoute in the middle of page 7):
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[Husayn] Thanks, Sir. I did not want to speak so openly were it not for your Excellency's raising and explaining the issue, and the statement by Tariq that we produced biological weapons.
We did not explain all we have. They can raise against us now or after one year or two three issues on the subject of the missiles. One is the place. The second is our work, which they don't know, on the subject of the missiles. Sir, this is my job and I know it very well. I have been at it for some time and it is not easy. The issues are much more dangerous than what they know. And I will explain them to you now.
On the subject of the chemical file, which we believe they will raise, we think that the biological file is the only problem. No, Sir, I believe that they have full details on the rockets, as well, if they want to raise them, as I said, because we have not finished with it.
It is possible, Sir, they have a problem that is a great deal bigger than the biological file: The types of weapons, the materials we imported, the product which we told them about, and the degree of their use. All of that was not correct. And all of them do not know. We did not say that we used them against Iran and we did not say the amount of chemical weapons we produced. We also did not say anything about the type of chemical weapons and the important materials in reality.
Therefore, Sir, if they want to raise problems the biological field will not be an excuse. No, Sir, I differ and I must be frank to you, I differ completely on this subject. They want one section after another. At present, they have not pressured us and we did not announce it.
Sir, I will go back and say it is better for us to decide whether to announce or not to announce it.
On the nuclear file, Sir, I mean on the biological file, we also differ with them, not only on the 17 tons; no, we have a well-known quantity. We have teams; a team working in the same direction while another does not know.
How could they not know, if they wanted? There are means for knowing that. We have materials that we imported from the United States and they know their quantity. We also have materials imported from Europe and they know their quantity also.
Therefore, Sir, if someone wants to create a problem, we have to be careful to find out: Does he want to make peace or create a new relationship quietly? No, Sir, I differ here.
On the nuclear file, Sir, we are saying that we disclosed everything? No, we have undeclared problems in the nuclear field, and I believe that they know them. Some teams work and no one knows some of them. Sir, I am sorry for speaking so clearly. Everything is over. But, did they know? No, Sir, they did not know; not all the methods, not all the means, not all the scientists, and not all the places.
Frankly, yes some activities were discovered. Even when we are here and your Excellency is aware that the biological file is the same, no, Sir, the biological file is the least and I am sorry to say the most insignificant. We must begin to talk with them, Sir, because the 17 tons are not the problem, but the thousands of tons here and the thousands of tons there and where did they go, how they were produced, and how they were used.
Really, Sir, we must be frank so that the resolution will be straightforward, and not biological in the afternoon, missiles the following morning, and nuclear the day after.
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continued on page 9, mid page
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Our problems, Sir, will continue even if we admitted. As long as we do not admit, it will be plotting, Sir, in my opinion because it is not correct and we cannot say that this is correct that we admit the biological file. He could raise against us the items we bought from the United States; materials for the chemical weapons.
With just this one, the biological file, Sir, is very small.
He said that we admitted the different types of weapons. We did not admit them. We said that we tried to discuss them, but the fact is, it is not possible, Sir, under our present situation, to say that this is not correct. No, it is better to say that it is correct because the time to end the problem with Iraq will be a long one. This is how I see it, regrettably, Sir, but this is the fact. Thank you.
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