Vantucky, WA turbo build.

[JoeC]

Well, I figured I am at a solid point to start with a progress build. I'm new here on this name, my brother goes by Pimptrizkit on sf and sm. We have been to a few meets in his red mk3.

Any ways. Where I am at. I might as well start from the beginning, the joy, the horror. I started off buying a pearl white 88' turbo mk3 from a college kid on SF in oregon. I was buying the car as "runs, rod knock".. I figured since my brother is fairly experienced with these motors and I am very interested in supras, and ALWAYS have been. I brought him into the Supra world with my growing interest in Mk4's. So. Low bugdet comes to mind with us mk3 guys, okay.. most of us. So i got this guy to sell me the car for 1200.. good deal eh? well, things went a little screwy here and there.. He wanted 1500 now.. parts were missing (int. peices).. So we got him down to 1400 and loaded it up on the trailor.. managing to take out both the front bumper, and my ebay down pipe. No biggie. I have a money tree in my basement.

So, we bring this thing home.. it was a beauty in my eyes.. I was in love. I bragged to my friends, to my parents, to my brother.. to every one! Who wouldn't!??! This is my first car! So.. The good! We found receipts in the car for a few things. Looks like this was just a frustrated owner! Well, so let me begin with the papers i found. Looks like the first one was a blown head gasket, who hasnt had one of those? haha. Well, this guy did it right atleast. He sent his head in to a toyota dealer and they cracked it.. So he found another one. It was bead blasted and completely gone through, surfaced, and a 2MM HKS mhg installed. We also found receipts for his A/C, clutch, vacume problems, sensor problems, etc. So, theres a lot of new parts in the engine area. I added up the receipts to find close to $3,000 in parts and labor within the last 2 years! Dang! I would be mad too.

Now for the teardown. Me and Jim started out by pulling the motor and trans (5speed) and getting the motor up on the stand for disassembly. We found some GOOD things doing this! One was I have a stage 2 6 puck clutch, and an Aluminum flywheel! Woohoo! Thing is LIGHT! Any ways. After a few grewling days of pulling parts and getting the motor apart we found some BAD! One was, two rod bearings were spun, which ruined the crank (the crank pulley key was also sheared and ruined the end of the crank shaft). So.. We pulled apart Pimptrizkits (Jim's) spare N/A motor and took 4 rods and a crank from it to give to the machinist. After his inspection he found out my block needed to be bored .020 over so we were stumped again.. Should I spend 400 more for OEM pistons? or go cheap.. shit.. I dont know.. well, i drive like a fking grandma so I figured these would get me buy for the next year until I pull it apart again. My machinist also swore by these pistons and since he's done good work before.. we said okay. So we slid by using ROCK pistons and some chromoly rings, boring it .020 over, machining the crank, hot tank, installing all new freeze plugs, all new clevite 77 bearings and such. We also had the flywheel/pressureplate/etc all fully balanced with the motor.

So after about a month wait I get my motor a few days ago. Sweet! While I was at work my bro got it out of the truck and put it on the stand, and bought me some stuff I will need, including new belts, oil for the trans and motor, new filter, thermostat, waterpump, etc. What a loving bro huh?! I think so. Oh, he also added some paint for my block and oil pan. So.. what color.. hrmm.. something bright, yet.. not too overwelming. Something that matches.. if any of you have seen my car, its pearl white.. ya.. we had to go white. So, I got off work and he was gone at work, I masked up the motor and proceded to paint several coats of high temp white paint on my block, My brother painted my oil pan gloss black. Looks nice. So here we are now. 9/14/06. We got the right oil pump in it, the oil pan on it, and the front cover going on it. I will upload pictures ASAP after work tommorrow and this weekend with more progress on my motor.

P.S. Incase you all wonder what my car looks like. Here's a sneak peak.

 

[suprahero]

I'm too tired to read the whole thread, but your car looks great. Hope everything goes well for you...............lol

 

[Facime]

Hey Joe, you might remember me. You guys came to my house when you had that thing on the trailer, and I also saw ya at Keith's house up in Portland. Im glad to see your making some progress and it sounds like your taking your time and getting it done in good fasion.

I still have that front bumper if you need it, and I would like to get rid of it. LMK if ya still need one.

Glad to see another Supra added to the family. 'grats

 

[JoeC]

Okay so we did a little bit today so I feel I should update this and give every one a little heads up on how things are going.

First off I have no clue what I am doing myself so I sat cleaning parts and painting them or wire brushing them clean. I felt a little better inside knowing atleast I can do bitch work so I have some meaning in life.

Onwards! We started out by prepping the block by me taping it off and painting it with White, adding a few coats until we felt it was durable enough. As you can see in this picture, the block surface was shaved by the machinist, and just small parts added.

For any of you MK3 owners, I'm not sure if you are like us. But we like to work messy.. Greasy, cant find crap and crap laying every where. We dont label parts, bolts, peices.. whatever.. Its every where. I can prove it to you!

More...

Last one of the mess!!

So! we finnally started getting somewhere.. We started off by wiping the mhg surface clean with some break cleaner, and then wiping the head down, aswell as the mhg itself.

We proceded to install the head, torque the ARP bolts from 25 ft lbs, to 50 ftlbs then to 90 ftlbs. Got the timing belt on, installed the new water pump.

Now, i'm not too sure if many of you will know what this is, I wasn't too sure! Now we figured it out... its JDM TYTE YO!!!

Next off, we got the new thermostat in, the crank pulley (not trq'd yet)..

From here, we prefilled the new oil filter with half qt. of oil and then put on the new exh. manifold gasket and put the manifold on. Every thing was going so smoothly until here.. I wish it wasn't so.. but I have to show it.

Yes.. What you're seeing is what you think it is. This wasn't our mistake.. it was probably an earlier owner but I am not blaming him.. but merely an old motor taking its abuse.

Yes.. Thats a stud with aluminum threads on it. We were barley applying any pressure on the nuts and the stud started pulling out. We proceded to pull out some of the other studs and noticed 1-2 more were starting to do the same. So, our day is over. We will pick up more tommorrow because we have to go buy some heli coils from napa or something and have my neighbor give us a hand on installing them into the head. By monday we are looking to have the motor dropped into the car and start pluming it for electrical and water. But, to make every one happy I took another picture before it started to rain and we closed things up. May this bring a little happiness to a gloom day.

 

[SupraJDS]

Good work JoeC keep it up

 

[Loki]

Those messy parts everywhere shots remind me of when I work on my car :rofl:

Looks good, good luck on the rest of it.

 

[SupraDreamPDR]

looking good man.... yeah, i think almost everyone who has pulled the stock manifold off has had to heli-coil it.

 

[JoeC]

Yeah, we figured we would have to heli coil it but just hoped we didnt. The person doing all the work in the pictures is my brother Pimptrizkit for any one that recognizes him. I grabbed the camera every 10 minutes to update things.

Any ways, about the heli coil. I believe we are just going to do all of them, but what I am asking is does it matter what kind we get? I was just planning to head down to Napa auto parts and pick up a heli coil for an aluminum head for a 12mm stud?

 

[spipedong]

I used rock pistons as well in my rebuild. They seemed to last alright until the rings took a shit.

 

[pimptrizkit]

any one think the exhaust studs were in backwards? i noticed the threads go deep into the head, yet the studs went only half way or less into the holes.. i was thinking this could be a possible cause of the threads being pulled from the motor aswell.

I used rock pistons as well in my rebuild. They seemed to last alright until the rings took a shit.

aww come on!.. how hard did you run her while breakin her in?
how many miles before the rings gave?


yo joe we runnin the rock rings? or another companies?



yeah i have been hard at work, putting this sucka together. i had the feeling she was just going together way to smooth! lol

when i had my head apart, and rebuilt, i didn't come across an issue with the exhaust studs. but now that this has happened, i think i will cheerish the other 2 heads we have ,well one, i guess one's cracked, and the other is warped, so we don really have an extra head, guess i need to buy a dremil and learn to port these suckers!




well stayed tuned, these bro's will be tuned!

 

[spipedong]

aww come on!.. how hard did you run her while breakin her in?
how many miles before the rings gave?

I ran it very easy. Dino oil change at 5 minutes, 5 miles, 50 miles, 200 miles, 500 miles, and full synthetic starting at 1000 miles.

Lasted a total of 13K miles.

They weren't rock rings though, they were hastings rings. The pistons seemed alright.

 

[Facime]

I ran it very easy. Dino oil change at 5 minutes, 5 miles, 50 miles, 200 miles, 500 miles, and full synthetic starting at 1000 miles.

Lasted a total of 13K miles.

They weren't rock rings though, they were hastings rings. The pistons seemed alright.

I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that to seat the rings properly they need to wear the cylinders a little during their first 500 or so miles. Isnt it counter-productive to change the oil that often during the break-in period?

 

[spipedong]

I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that to seat the rings properly they need to wear the cylinders a little during their first 500 or so miles. Isnt it counter-productive to change the oil that often during the break-in period?

To my knowledge it's not counter productive to change the oil that often. I do know you should not be using synthetic to break in an engine.

I would venture to argue that the procedure is fine since I had 182 compression across the board for almost 2 years.

 

[pimptrizkit]

im going to run delo 400 oil in the motor, and i had origonaly planned to change @ 500, 1000, 2000, 3500, then change the oil every 2-3k miles after that.

how much boost where you runnin?

 

[spipedong]

10 pounds.

It wasn't really a normal use situation that failed the rings either. I had a friend driving the car and the ignitor went out on cylinders 3&4. He kept driving around town etc. and fuel wash took its toll on the cylinder bores. I have no doubt the engine would have kept running tens of thousands more miles if not for that.

 

[JoeC]

^^ that makes me feel a little bit better. Any ways, so today we went to the auto parts store and bought 7/16x14 heli coil kit.. Im glad it only comes with 6.. so we had to buy a pack of heli coils which was another 10 bucks. We also got copper anti-seize, red RTV, 29/64 drill bit, some metal lock nuts, and (3) 7/16x2.50 studs with half course, half fine threads. No one in town had 4 more... so we have to order them, looks like they will get here tommorrow.

 

[bkma71]

Whats this I hear bout the red suppie blowing the mhg?? The white ones looking good mang. I still kinda regret letting you guys take that but glad to see its getting back in shape... Didn't it have a defcon dp and blitz nur spec? I thought I remember thinking those were pretty valuable parts. Anyways Hopefully all these nw supies will be running again soon. latez Ben

 

[pimptrizkit]

well ben it had a blitz nur spec, but also had an ebay, 2.5inch to 3inch dp, but the enkies were a plus. :biglaugh:


i dont think i blew the mhg but didn't prep the block properly...

 

[JoeC]

Okay.. here we go again!


It's been a few days, I am sorry. I just enrolled and started in college, and im also working.. and homework, and blah blah blah.. enough of my excuses! So here we go.

I haven't had time to even touch my motor since I have posted the previous pictures, my brother has done all of this and I've only had time to take the pictures I have. It looks like we are almost done!

Here is a picture of my dirty turbo.. Yes, the rest of the motor looks "blah".. Thats what you get for doing things within a couple days without really caring what it looks like and lack of money to care. The turbo does have a little shaft play.. but, in reality...What can we do.. It's not enough to make me go N/A for the time being so I rather just deal with it and go easy on it until whatever happens. You can also see my white paint getting dirty already

I'm not even going to bother posting a picture of the right side of the motor.. What for?? Wiring harness and intake manifold.. wooo, every one has seen those before.. So i can skip that, and continue to the next.

Okay.. the hassel! As you can see.. yes, thats a turbo exhaust manifold.. blah blah blah. But with blood, sweat, and money into it! May not look like it, but we had to replace all of the studs and heli coil them. Sorry I didn't get pictures.. meh?... stone me later. So, we took some advice from another post on here and upgraded to a 7/16x14 heli coil kit. Course on one side, fine on the other for the studs... Too bad they only had 3 instock and had to order the others... My bro and dad drilled out the holes with a 29/64" drill bit, tapped it for the heli coil size, put the heli coils in.. blah blah.. whatever. Now we should have the motor and trans installed by the weekend.. hopefully =X

 

[pimptrizkit]

well i went through the harness today, and replaced 4 injector clips, and i am going to solder on a new pigtal for a water temp sensor, and also solder a new pig tale for the cps connecot, while examing it , a wire broke right off, no start any one? lol

looks like im buying heat shrink tomorrow, and gona have to locate my soldering iron.