valve breathers vs. catch cans

gilberjj

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is there some sort of advantage to putting on a catch can, as opposed to useing valve cover breathers (little k&n style filters)? I'm thinking about rigging up domestic valve cover breathers rather than getting a catch can. but I don't want to be missing out on something that a catch-can accomplishes that breathers can not.

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jorgen g
 

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gilberjj said:
is there some sort of advantage to putting on a catch can, as opposed to useing valve cover breathers (little k&n style filters)? I'm thinking about rigging up domestic valve cover breathers rather than getting a catch can. but I don't want to be missing out on something that a catch-can accomplishes that breathers can not.

thanks in advance

jorgen g

I am sure someone has the right answer, but the catch cans look cooler? Especially with sexy stainless braided lines running to it :)
 

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Using breather on our cars is not really a good idea. cause some emission inspector won't let you pass emission, because your car will be letting hydrocarbon evaporate directly in to the atmosphered. From what i know in va you would never past but with the catch can its a different story because your car is still going to be burning all that blow by gas. I think that you should use the catch can
 

robbo185

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a catch can catches all the oil that is caused by blow-by and i believe removes the pcv. Putting air filters on does nothing except get a whole bunch of oil in them if im not mistaken
 

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and once they're nice and full your valve covers get a helping of that blow by oil. there are some cheap catch cans on ebay, figure $20+$5 for hoses and clamps not bad plus I agree with PowerTrip it looks better.

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gilberjj

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i don't have to do emissions testing, so i dont' have to worry about a tester makeing me change to a catch can, and those filters aren't air filters. they are specifically made for valve covers. by the way..... what is the pcv??
 

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gilberjj said:
i don't have to do emissions testing, so i dont' have to worry about a tester makeing me change to a catch can, and those filters aren't air filters. they are specifically made for valve covers. by the way..... what is the pcv??

PCV is positive crankcase ventilation. If you do more research on this subject you will understand why you want a catch can and not the breathers.
 

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jetjock said:
Lol...no wonder so many people have problems with this car.


Yep.

Do as Sawbladz suggests and learn a little about all the things on cars, and maybe you will stop throwing them away.

I guess a catch can is better than dumping it on the ground.

edit: The PCV system is one of the greatest additions to the engine that has been devolped.
 

saxman47

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If you slap breathers on the valve covers, they will get clogged with oil very quickly, causing a buildup of pressure in the crankcase since the blowby has no where to go. You will eventually blow out a seal somewhere or another if you let this condition go long enough. Also, our cars require vacuum on the valve covers for everything in the head to seal properly, and adding a catch can actually made my car stop smoking completely.

Plus, your whole engine bay will get a lovely film of oil over everything if you put on breathers.
 

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Nick M said:
Yep.

Do as Sawbladz suggests and learn a little about all the things on cars, and maybe you will stop throwing them away.

I guess a catch can is better than dumping it on the ground.

edit: The PCV system is one of the greatest additions to the engine that has been devolped.

dam strait nick, though you shouldn't have left them blind as to why.

engine blow by is a nasty thing. there are acid's and minerals in the blow by that will ruin the properties of good oil, which for us is rod knock..
most car's use a pcv system with a check valve of some sort, so if the engine back fire's it does not ignite the fumes in the crankcase (lol) well our car's do not have this little rattle valve as ford calls it..


the way our system is designed, the vacum is greater at the tb @ idle then the accordian tube (because the throttle closes 100% and uses the idle speed control to idle which sucks from the accordian tube. )
while cruising the vacum in the accordian is roughly equal to that of the tb, but either way the blow by is still being recirculated back into the combustion process..
while boosting, the pressure at the tb, and the blow by push at each other, while the accordian tube has a huge vaccume sucking the blow by fumes and some boost from the tb pcv port.
because how this work's, this is one of the biggest reasons to have an oily inlet to the turbo. also oily sludge in your vaccume lines.

like pointed out breathers dont remove the fumes from blow by but more so trap the water vapor and blow by , by products in the crank case.

whats nice about a catch can, is you can seal off the small boost leak on the throttle body, and still suck out all the crank case fumes, and the best benifit is if your catch can is working properly and is not full, your intake should stay oil free, unless you have bad turbo seals.
 

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The biggest advantage of the PCV system is that it keeps the crankcase in a state of vacuum. If there is no vacuum then the pistons moving in and out cause pressure fluxuations that rob horsepower, but also can it cause oil to push past the front and rear mains seals, and anywhere else it can get out of the engine. Put the breathers on if you hate your 7M, that's the only reason you should.
 

gilberjj

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haha...... well i think its pretty evident what everyone thinks/knows. thank you all, i will now be purchaseing a catch can!
goodness
 

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You definately want to run a catchcan.. you need vac. on the crankcase.

It may be a long shot, but I have reason to believe that not running vac. killed my SP61GT. I've looked into everything else, and the only thing I can figure is crankcase pressure built up from not having vac., and made it difficult for the turbo's drain to function properly. I think it could have either blocked the free flow of the hot foamy oil, letting it block and accumulate, or maybe the pressure prevented it from draining easily at all, causing the nasty oil to stay in the bearings for longer than expected.

Not to mention I blew out several seals.. I will never run without a catchcan again.
 

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If you removed the PCV, sludge will build up quickly. And yes, that sludge will ruin a turbocharger quicker than the engine bearings. But they aren't far behind.