using the wrong coolant: what's gonna happen?

[jdub]

"You guys kill me" know the fact is "J dub" we appreciate your wisdom and ,. knowledge.
Thanks

Not too sure how to interpret this Koenig.

Knowledge is simple. Before I make a post like Bri7man did above, I make sure I have all the facts...I look it up in the TSRM, web site, MDS, oil spec sheet, etc. Even though I may think I know the answer...keeps me from looking stupid (most of the time). Plus, I might learn something.

 

[Bri7man]

Oh no way I honestly wasn't testing or insulting you in any way promise!

I seriously thought cause you said in an earlier post somewhere else to add 50/50 but you were talking about the concentrated I guess and I was truthfully asking if that was what you meant because if you said so I would of done it..

That's why I was asking beforehand.

Dude I would never insult you or call you out, you've helped me so much bro....

and I obviously don't know wtf I'm doing or I wouldn't of aske din the first place:biglaugh:















I've long gone given up on not looking stupid..... Seriously look at my posts even I think they're retarded a day later!! I just want to do things right and I always either overlook and under look things.


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moments later...

 

[Koenigturbo]

Price "should" have been a giveaway

O.K you guys are right, I went for the cheaper of the two and not knowing any better.
Ian, I'll admit, If were buying anti freeze I would have checked the price and would have brought the antifreeze at the lower end of the dollor scale. Being not knowing any better anti freeze is antifreeze (so I thought,) and not knowing the which color anti freeze my car takes.( untill now.) The label doesn't tell you if it's red or green. (at least I don't think it does). After all, there are several brands. I guess my thought process was antifreeze wasn't high on my " not to cut corners" list
Oh well I learn all the time!!! ::dunce::

 

[IJ.]

Concentrate is always more expensive

I used to buy Toyota premixed then they stopped stocking it here and was a bit shocked at the price difference! :aigo:

Just bought a case of G05 concentrate to try as they don't stock it on the shelf.

 

[Koenigturbo]

Not too sure how to interpret this Koenig.

Knowledge is simple. Before I make a post like Bri7man did above, I make sure I have all the facts...I look it up in the TSRM, web site, MDS, oil spec sheet, etc. Even though I may think I know the answer...keeps me from looking stupid (most of the time). Plus, I might learn something.

O.K... "J dub" To Know me:: I'm a guy that if I don't have any thing better to say,... I don't say it, I keep my mouth shut,.. so, on the other hand if I like you I tease you,. but since this is the internet, it's hard to tell weather or not I'm just kidding!1:biglaugh: o.k.??? ( because you can't read my intonenation) Just want to let you know,.Your one of the really good guys here, and I/we appreciate your help and input. I say this is because of my experince with you.

THANKS "J DUB!!!""

 

[MA70witBoost]

All conventional coolant uses Ethylene Glycol...including Prestone green, Toyota Red, Zeryx G05, GM DexCool, etc. The difference is the additive chemistry.

The green coolants are heavily on the silicates. Toyota Red is HOAT that uses phosphates. Zyrex is also HOAT with a small amount of silicates for fast action. DexCool is a OAT coolant.

Silicates work well on most motors, but on the 7M cause an reaction between the head and block...I won't use it. Toyota Red or G05 at 50/50 with distilled water.

Koen - stop being a cheap ass and use good coolant and oil.

Phosphate HOAT just like Toyota Red
http://www.valvoline.com/products/consumer-products/antifreeze-radiator-products/antifreeze/105

hey Jdub, you recommended Valvoline Zerex Asian Vehicle to me in my build thread. I see you w/ a diff coolant on this thread. I begin to wonder tho, you wont use coolant w/ silicates in your 7M yet you throw the product out there knowing it contains them?? What do you know that I dont? (aside from a great many things not pertaining to this conversation)

 

[Bri7man]

O.K... "J dub" To Know me:: I'm a guy that if I don't have any thing better to say,... I don't say it, I keep my mouth shut,.. so, on the other hand if I like you I tease you,. but since this is the internet, it's hard to tell weather or not I'm just kidding!1:biglaugh: o.k.??? ( because you can't read my intonenation) Just want to let you know,.Your one of the really good guys here, and I/we appreciate your help and input. I say this is because of my experince with you.

THANKS "J DUB!!!""

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Yeah me too. <3

 

[jdub]

hey Jdub, you recommended Valvoline Zerex Asian Vehicle to me in my build thread. I see you w/ a diff coolant on this thread. I begin to wonder tho, you wont use coolant w/ silicates in your 7M yet you throw the product out there knowing it contains them?? What do you know that I dont? (aside from a great many things not pertaining to this conversation)

I'm confused. What different coolant...G05?
If that's the case, you said you wanted to use Toyota Red (which is fine) and I directed you to the Zerex Asian. I do feel G05 is a better coolant, but I'm not going to argue with a guy that wants to use Toyota Red (or Zerex Asian)...either is a very good coolant to use in a Supra.

I was talking about coolants that use silicates as the primary inhibitor. G05 does contain a small amount of silicates...just enough to inhibit corrosion until the organic acid can take over (it takes longer to work). It's not near enough to cause the same issues as the conventional green.

 

[jdub]

Oh no way I honestly wasn't testing or insulting you in any way promise!

I seriously thought cause you said in an earlier post somewhere else to add 50/50 but you were talking about the concentrated I guess and I was truthfully asking if that was what you meant because if you said so I would of done it..

That's why I was asking beforehand.

Dude I would never insult you or call you out, you've helped me so much bro....

and I obviously don't know wtf I'm doing or I wouldn't of aske din the first place:biglaugh:

I've long gone given up on not looking stupid..... Seriously look at my posts even I think they're retarded a day later!! I just want to do things right and I always either overlook and under look things.

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moments later...

O.K... "J dub" To Know me:: I'm a guy that if I don't have any thing better to say,... I don't say it, I keep my mouth shut,.. so, on the other hand if I like you I tease you,. but since this is the internet, it's hard to tell weather or not I'm just kidding!1:biglaugh: o.k.??? ( because you can't read my intonenation) Just want to let you know,.Your one of the really good guys here, and I/we appreciate your help and input. I say this is because of my experince with you.

THANKS "J DUB!!!""

No problem guys...believe me, I have looked way more stupid in the past than you can imagine

Reading what a guy has to say, it's hard to tell meaning at times...I have not had any problem with either of you. That's the reason I asked....guess I'm getting gun shy due to some of the more hard headed individuals around here that do seem to have a problem with me. My apologies.

All is good

 

[MA70witBoost]

I'm confused. What different coolant...G05?
if that's the case, you said you wanted to use Toyota Red (which is fine) and I directed you to the Zerex Asian. I do feel G05 is a better coolant, but I'm not going to argue with a guy that wants to use Toyota Red (or Zerex Asian)...either is a very good coolant to use in a Supra.

I was talking about coolants that use silicates as the primary inhibitor. G05 does contain a small amount of silicates...just enough to inhibit corrosion until the organic acid can take over (it takes longer to work). It's not near enough to cause the same issues as the conventional green.

Yeah. In my thread you recommended Zerex Asian. Here I noticed you recommending something else (the G05). When you posted you stay away from the silicate stuff I wondered why recommend the Zerex stuff if it has silicate. Then I thought it through and came to the conclusion that it musn't be enough to cause damage.

 

[IJ.]

If the G05's crap I'll blame JDub

 

[jdub]

LOL...it's gotta be better than frigging "death cool"

 

[IJ.]

LOL...it's gotta be better than frigging "death cool"

aka Silly Putty

 

[Bri7man]

It's crazy cause after getting my engine from wherever the hell it came from(ebay), the coolant eroded so much of the banana shaped vents on the block and I can imagine inside. I wish I knew what had been ran in it.

I plan on flushing it with water for now once it's back in my car then hopefully the G05 will take over from there until I get her thermally cleaned down the road before upgrading.

 

[jdub]

Is it ok to use the new Toyota Pink(pre-mixed) on the 7M?

Got some new info on this (thanks Steve!) and the real answer is it depends. Toyota "Pink" can refer to two different coolants...here's the info in the TSB:
- Toyota "Red" is referred to by Toyota as Long Life Coolant (LLC) with a service interval of 30,000 miles.
- Toyota "Pink" (as referred to commonly) is also LLC except it's a 50/50 pre-mix...same service interval.
- Toyota "Pink" is referred to by Toyota as Super Long Life coolant (SLLC) came on the scene 5 years ago (maybe earlier)...it is the different chemistry I spoke of. It only comes in a 50/50 pre-mix and service interval is 50,000 miles.

According to the TSB, LLC is compatible with SLLC...i.e. they can be mixed. If that happens though, the interval goes to 30,000 miles.

There does seem to be a problem with the SLLC though that I'll need to do more follow up on. Since the change to SLLC in the '04 time frame, the dealerships have been reporting problems with water pump shaft seals leaking after the switch to SLLC, especially on the Camry (2AZ-FE motor). The only common factor was the switch to SLLC...the engines with LLC did not experience this at a higher than normal rate. It's also a common factor on other engines, but the Camry is the worst.

Some dealerships will not switch a car from LLC to SLLC for this reason. I'm going to retract my previous statement and go with this philosophy. I would not use Toyota Pink (SLLC) in a 7M...there's no advantage to it and it's possible it will cause a water pump shaft seal failure.

Note to self: Stop using the terms Toyota "Red" or "Pink". Pink can mean two different coolants...LLC or SLLC is more precise.