U.S. Bill H.R. 6166

SupraDerk

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Holy crap Joel you're back!


Complacency of our citizens, coercive media and government and the slide from Republic to Democracy will be the death of our country
 

SupraDerk

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Nick M said:
Good bill. It enforces the constitutional mandate of death for treason.


But what if you're only suspected of helping or being a terrorist and they lock you away or kill you without a search and arrest warrant?

I believe that was the purpose in the 4th amendment, to protect you from the government just hauling you away
 

Joel W.

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Nick M said:
Good bill. It enforces the constitutional mandate of death for treason.
Wrong... It destroys the constitution as it was written..:3d_frown:

SupraDerk said:
Holy crap Joel you're back!

I never really left, I was just waiting for this thread...:biglaugh:
 

91T breezen'

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C'mon Central and Joel! You guys are going to worry yourselves to death,:aigo: about something that most likely will never, ever, have any bearing on you and yours lives! It just provides a way to deal with "terrorists" that we didn't have spelled out before. Nothing more, nothing less. Unless of course, you are plotting to overthrow the government!:icon_razz
 

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91T breezen' said:
C'mon Central and Joel! You guys are going to worry yourselves to death,:aigo: about something that most likely will never, ever, have any bearing on you and yours lives! It just provides a way to deal with "terrorists" that we didn't have spelled out before. Nothing more, nothing less. Unless of course, you are plotting to overthrow the government!:icon_razz

Watch the first vid I posted and try to disprove it at all anywhere....

Then, if your brave enough, watch the second vid...:icon_razz

It's happening right now!!!
 

91T breezen'

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Joel W. said:
Watch the first vid I posted and try to disprove it at all anywhere....

Then, if your brave enough, watch the second vid...:icon_razz

It's happening right now!!!

I just started to, but then saw how long it was!:aigo: It'll have to wait till I come home from work. It's pretty grainey though, but I'll watch it. If nothing else, for a good laugh!:icon_razz
 

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Maybe if yall had also gotten so worked up about the constant infringement of the 2nd, this infringement of the 4th never could have happened.

There’s a reason why the second was established before the fourth. It’s so that if 3-10 were infringed the people in compliance with the second could put them back into place.

The founding fathers were pretty damn clear about it. "The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference; they deserve a place of honor with all that's good." ~ George Washington.
 

SupraDerk

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outofstep said:
Maybe if yall had also gotten so worked up about the constant infringement of the 2nd, this infringement of the 4th never could have happened.

There’s a reason why the second was established before the fourth. It’s so that if 3-10 were infringed the people in compliance with the second could put them back into place.

The founding fathers were pretty damn clear about it. "The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference; they deserve a place of honor with all that's good." ~ George Washington.


What makes you think that no one on here DID get worked up? If I'm not mistakened, my politicians tell me that Americans love democracy and that we're spreading democracy around the world...and in a democracy the mob rules don't they?
 

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Yea Welcome back Joel sorta... watchin these links now...but honestly...I smell a draft for Iran before 2008...sigh...its only a matter of time before some crazy thought like mine comes to date.
 

Aaron J Williams

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U.S. Bill H.R. 6166 said:
Subchapter 1

Sec. 948c. Persons subject to military commissions

`Any alien unlawful enemy combatant is subject to trial by military commission under this chapter.

`Sec. 948d. Jurisdiction of military commissions

`(a) Jurisdiction- A military commission under this chapter shall have jurisdiction to try any offense made punishable by this chapter or the law of war when committed by an alien unlawful enemy combatant before, on, or after September 11, 2001.

Does anyone know who an alien unlawful enemy combatant would be? Alien would be a non-citizen, right?

The sad part is that this bill was the direct result of leftist politicians trying to apply the Geneva Conventions and U.S. rule of law to islamofascist terrorists. Last I checked, no islamofascists signed the Geneva accord. The excuse was that if we don't treat the jihadis according to Geneva, then they won't treat our soldiers according to Geneva. News Flash! They behead their prisoners, and will continue to do so regardless of how we treat prisoners!

So why would the Dems want to defend and extend the rights of citizens to these terrorists? To win back the house and senate and regain the power they had for 50 years. This crappy, unneccesary bill came into existence so that the " alien unlawful enemy combatants" held at Gitmo would be tried by military tribunal, not by jury trial. Why can't we try them by jury? Because then classified information used as evidence would be known to the jihadis back home and our intel efforts would be further damaged.

It all boils down to the fact that the Dems are far more concerned with hating Bush and getting their anti-war lunatics motivated to vote than they are about true fascists blowing themselves up in shopping malls or murdering innocent nuns.

And furthermore, if this is the first thing that worried you about the US govt. you must have not been in country when the Clinton Justice dept. headed by Janet Reno burned 86 US citizens alive including a dozen children at Waco Texas. There never was an apology for that incident.
Here's a little history lesson in case you forgot.
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/waco.massacre.html

Or how about when the LOCAL govt. disarmed lawful citizens unconstitutionally in New Orleans after Katrina ? Did you raise a big fuss about that? Those 2 incidents alone scare me more than this bill does.

Coincidently, citizens who would participate in civil war would be classified as "lawful enemy combatants" and not subject to this bill.


So you say this bill is horrible and that the brownshirts will come goosestepping down the street to haul off citizens who did nothing wrong. Maybe so, but what is your solution? How would you try islamofascist jihadis? The Dems want them treated like US citizen criminals, which is the same way that Clinton treated them when they attacked the UN building in 93, and the USS Kohl, and Mogidishu, and the embassy bombings, etc. That approach worked marvelously, didn't it! What is your solution?
 

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SupraDerk said:
What makes you think that no one on here DID get worked up?

I didnt see a single thread about Kali's prop to require every bullet to have a serial number. I didnt see a single thread about Kali banning the 50. I haven't seen a single thread about HR 1703. I haven't seen a single thread about HR 47 or 165 or 236 or 246 or 259 or 418 or 559, and so on.

It's too late for the lobster when the water is already boiling. Ignoring the 2nd let the water get that hot.

Do you think Justice Stevens would have had the balls to vote for .gov eminent domain seizures if the homeowners had fully automatic weapons? Do you think any politician or Judge would dare fuck with the populace? Unless you're a member of the NRA, GOA, etc; you let the politicians do whatever the fuck they want because they are not affraid of what they do.


"Americans need not fear the federal government because they enjoy the advantage of being armed, which you possess over the people of almost every other nation." ~ James Madison.
 

Joel W.

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If you have to take freedom away from people to defend freedom than we have already lost.

949a part 2b

If they can charge you with a crime and claim the evidence against you is "classified confidential" and they do not need a warrant to gather that "classified information", then what are your odds of getting out of that charge??
 

JustAnotherVictim

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outofstep said:
I didnt see a single thread about Kali's prop to require every bullet to have a serial number. I didnt see a single thread about Kali banning the 50. I haven't seen a single thread about HR 1703. I haven't seen a single thread about HR 47 or 165 or 236 or 246 or 259 or 418 or 559, and so on.

It's too late for the lobster when the water is already boiling. Ignoring the 2nd let the water get that hot.

Do you think Justice Stevens would have had the balls to vote for .gov eminent domain seizures if the homeowners had fully automatic weapons? Do you think any politician or Judge would dare fuck with the populace? Unless you're a member of the NRA, GOA, etc; you let the politicians do whatever the fuck they want because they are not affraid of what they do.


"Americans need not fear the federal government because they enjoy the advantage of being armed, which you possess over the people of almost every other nation." ~ James Madison.
Cali has plenty of BS laws that are in effect. It's gonna take a long time to even get started on getting rid of many of them.
 

91T breezen'

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Well, I wasted almost two hours of my life watching the linked vid!:aigo: In a word...preposterous!::hah:: Same old crap!:rolleyes: That Alex Jones should be in a straight jacket,:nuts: as a guest of one of our many fine mental health instituitions!!!:crazy1:
 

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Democracy is two wolves and a sheep arguing over what's for dinner.

:p

Or two clansmen and a black man arguing over who to hang on that tree over yonder...

There's a reason that the founding fathers stayed far away from democracy.

91T breezen' said:
Well, I wasted almost two hours of my life watching the linked vid!:aigo: In a word...preposterous!::hah:: Same old crap!:rolleyes: That Alex Jones should be in a straight jacket,:nuts: as a guest of one of our many fine mental health instituitions!!!:crazy1:

Yea, that's the problem. Anytime someone sane brings up some of these things as something we really need to address, the nutcases pile on the bandwagon. Then when other people see the nutcases involved, they discount the whole thing as "crazy" and the valid concerns get lost in the mix...
 

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Supracentral said:
nutcases and crazies

Nice to see nothing has changed around here..:biglaugh:

I was actually agreeing with you and you say I am a crazy nutcase.. LMAO.

That cracks me up... :icon_razz