Toyota Suprarreal
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someone mentioned Hondas AWD technology...
er, prolly just me being wrong, but honda has AWD tech worth using?
also sounds wrong, since Toyota was at least thinking of buying a chunk of Fuji Heavy Industries <parent company of Subaru, who ARE known for AWD tech...>
not sure if that buy ever happened, but yeah, my 2 cents.
er, prolly just me being wrong, but honda has AWD tech worth using?
also sounds wrong, since Toyota was at least thinking of buying a chunk of Fuji Heavy Industries <parent company of Subaru, who ARE known for AWD tech...>
not sure if that buy ever happened, but yeah, my 2 cents.
Toyota does own the majority of Fuji Heavy Industries now, and I believe they are planning on manufacturing some Toyotas at Subaru plant in the US that wasn't working up to capacity.
actually, no, Mr2's in the states started at 6/90, there were no mr2's at all shipped here with production dates after 12/89 and before 6/90.
yea, honda actually has useable technology for once. its called the sh-awd or something like that.SnowMongoose said:
im just telling u people wat was mentioned from some of the executives from toyota. they havent cleared up if they WILL use the Supra name again or not. though i think ppl who say that toyota never revives a name are just giving out an opinion. there is always a first time for everything, just look at honda finally making useable AWD technology. thats a first.
and yea, toyota bought a huge market share from subaru some time ago.
gixxer750 said:
Well, heh, I can't check now, but I'll look more when I get home, I was pretty sure it was 1/90.
Ckanderson said:
if i had a tape recorder when it came out of the toyota execs mouth i would have proof....
my only other proof is that if you look on SF i posted a thread about this when i first heard it some almost 2-3 years ago.... and everything i stated in that thread has come true or has been validated....
you cant compare nissan to toyota people..... toyota is about to become the NUMBER ONE LARGEST COMPANY IN THE WORLD....they are set to take over GMs spot like nobodys business...they are OBVIOUSLY doing something right...
you think they care if they please a few thousand enthusiasts? NO....they are about the bottom line...which is why the stopped making the mk4 to begin with....
just deal with it....
Hmmm i would have a hard time beliveing toyota would consider a turbo a step back... since porshe uses them, BMW is contemplating it, mazda does, mitsubishi, audi, VW, the list goes on.... if that truly is thier stance then they are seriously heading the wrong way. a turbo provides a serious boost in performance with little effect on gas milage or emmisions.
gixxer750 said:
Okay, here's some information from the EPC, this is the North American EPC for the MR2:
The AW11 production ended in 12/89. No dispute there.
Common SW20/SW21 knowledge says it came out in May or June 1990 as a 1991 model. I dispute that. The EPC lists everything on the car as 1/90+, which of course could be wrong, I mean, maybe they started manufacturing them in 1/90, but didn't start bringing them in until later, or whatever... however (and I spent a while searching the EPC for a part that changed lol), the oil pump has 2 part numbers. One for 1/90 to 5/90 and one from 6/90 on, if there was a part number change, it clearly means the car was sold before that change.
I can't really find any more stuff, but as far as I've seen (and I've seen a lot), Toyota does NOT make mistakes in their EPC, if they say the car was manufactured starting in 1/90, I would say they probably know better than you and I.
Rumours become facts very quickly on the internet. Look at the MA70/MA71 thing, people actually think there is an MA71 chassis, and that Toyota started using MA70 chassis for turbo models because of high demand. That's total BS. If you understood Toyota chassis naming, you'd know it doesn't make any sense at all.
I'm sure I could come up with some fact about the MK3, and say it on a website, and I'd bet that there would be a ton of people who would believe it, even if it was totally false.
Oh well, it really doesn't matter that much.
Ckanderson said:
not true at all......actually superchargers are better technology in most aspects.....
you also have to understand....toyota is so far advanced with 95% of their technology...that by the time all those companies you mentioned catch up...they consider it old technology and have moved onto something else....
Idealsupra said:
Ideal with What you Said Toyota is Already on the Hybrid Train with Cars Leaving Gasoline far behind. They are the World Lagest Seller to the Going Public of Hybrid Vehicle ATM. So if what you are saying is true. The Day's of Rumbling Exhaust and Turbo's is over and we should start looking for more Effifient Power Converters and Electric motors with some Kick Ask Numbers. Toyota See's a Huge Future in Technology leading cars and Car's Driving them selfs. I hope they will still leave room for the people who love and want to drive. Some time i think Toyota has changed it's Focus to much to be To Family Oriented, And has forgoten that the Car Industry would be no where close to what it is with out all the Sports performace and Racing that they have put out in the Past.
I was Very Happy to See Them get back into Formula F1. That tells me they are getting back to What Made them Great in The First place. For all our Sakes lets hope so.
your right, toyota isnt going to please a few young kids that want sports cars that will just end up killing them.
who is going to buy more units, middle age people looking to save money going from point a to point b, or reckless teenagers with no real carreers and just wanna drive fast?
mass production is hte name of the game and there arent enough buyers for sports cars. its a cycle wach it go. 60's there was no replacement for displacement, ok gas shortage.... honda introduced the accord. nissan the truck, people flocked to them, then they got bored of chugging at 40mph at redline. so they got hungry and made a sports car era all over again, well same thing again, this time it was compression not displacement, new gas hike, economy!!!!, it'll be a while before we see sports cars get pumped out again, ya gotta wait until the world gets bored with its fuel prices and accepts the fact that $3 for gasoline is NOT that expensive, especialy when europe is paying $8. once the nation accepts that and gets bored again, yea we'll see cars like hte supra, rx7 etc come back under new names.
sadly, our era is gone. just gotta wait.
who is going to buy more units, middle age people looking to save money going from point a to point b, or reckless teenagers with no real carreers and just wanna drive fast?
mass production is hte name of the game and there arent enough buyers for sports cars. its a cycle wach it go. 60's there was no replacement for displacement, ok gas shortage.... honda introduced the accord. nissan the truck, people flocked to them, then they got bored of chugging at 40mph at redline. so they got hungry and made a sports car era all over again, well same thing again, this time it was compression not displacement, new gas hike, economy!!!!, it'll be a while before we see sports cars get pumped out again, ya gotta wait until the world gets bored with its fuel prices and accepts the fact that $3 for gasoline is NOT that expensive, especialy when europe is paying $8. once the nation accepts that and gets bored again, yea we'll see cars like hte supra, rx7 etc come back under new names.
sadly, our era is gone. just gotta wait.
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lanky189
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If Toyota gets back into the sports car market, it will not be to make money. It will be to prevent Nissan from owning the market completely. I believe that Toyota is fully capable of supporting a car that loses money for them from a manufacturing perspective just to maintain a presense in the the market.
CTsupra
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^^ definitely agree. I believe Toyota won't even be phased by the dollar loss. All of the money they make, and all of the money they will be making in the next few years on family type cars and hybrids, they can afford to take any type of loss. Toyota will not lay down and let Nissan own with the new skyline/R36, or whatever the heck it's called.
drunk_medic said:
You have to be joking.
This is Business there is always something to Prove. Especially if you are the king of the mountain. Everyone always wants to push you off. That just means you have to work twice as hard and come out with products that are that much better.
The Car Market has always worker for a long time. You show the person the car they wish they had to get them in the show room. Then when they get there you sell them the Carolla they can afford.
If toyota does nothing to match it's competitors it will affect there Sales Heavily.
Nissan has the 350Z
Mazda has the RX-8
Subaru the STI
Mitsubishi the EVO
Doge the Charger and RT/10 (Viper)
Ford the GT40 and Mustang
Chevy the Corevette
Honda the S2000
Toyota has ???? Nothing
If they do nothing to compete with the Curent Trend of Sports Related Cars. They will loose out on the Market and they will loose there hold and the Number one spot. They always need to show that they have what it takes. Publice preception. If you think about it Toyota has no Choice but to come out with a Sports Car If they want to Stay competitive and not feel a huge lose in there Pockets.
Good Example. All the American Manufacturers have felt huge losses in the past few years. Mostly becuase people want Quality cars, instead of just Cheaper then everyone elses Cars. They held to there old ways of doing things and have lost allot of Market Share to the Import Companies.
That is why you say them go into the Power Craze that they are going into Redesigning almost every car that they are offering. And coming out with some new/Old ones.
The Market Trend it to bring back that old Powerful sports Car. So they are sticking with that.
I am sure that in the next few years with the cost of Gas here. The Trend will Change to What they have in Europe. Small Fuel Efficient Cars.
Anyways thats just my view of things. Sorry if it was a bit long
Personally, I hope they go the Atom route - put out a car that doesn't have any luxuries, is light as hell, and has a horsepower that is small - until you compare it to the weight! That way they can go after the younger market, instead of the old bank execs and oil shieks.