Took an unexplainable picture...
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From my experience, there is and never will be enough evidence to convince someone who's never seen something they can't explain. It'll always be dust on the windows or fluctuations in the earth's magnetic field... until that person sees something that is completely "well, what the fuck was that shit?".
Even then, it won't be positive... it'll be "well, maybe it's possible".
Do I believe in ghosts?
I don't not believe in them, I'll put it that way.
Beyond the simple fact that there are some things in this world we can't explain, I've got nothing. A swing that swings itself? If there's no cables, how does that work? Is that even a reputable news site? I think it's quite far fetched to say we can be 100% positive on the subject, but it is reasonable to say it's possible.
OP dust on a window? Probable.
OP ghost? Possible.
Even then, it won't be positive... it'll be "well, maybe it's possible".
Do I believe in ghosts?
I don't not believe in them, I'll put it that way.
Beyond the simple fact that there are some things in this world we can't explain, I've got nothing. A swing that swings itself? If there's no cables, how does that work? Is that even a reputable news site? I think it's quite far fetched to say we can be 100% positive on the subject, but it is reasonable to say it's possible.
OP dust on a window? Probable.
OP ghost? Possible.
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^^^Disbelieve was the word you were looking for.....disbelieve. ahhh the french.
And have you ever seen those little mini tornado's that are around sometimes ?
If it's not picking up debris it's REALLY hard to see them at all unless you're standing right in it. That would easily cause the swing. There's no such thing as the dead reborn. That's why they call them dead. Because they're dead.
No working brain\nervous system = no life. Period. Even in a lifeless coma, you're brain is still active.
If you're sould leaves the body when you die, then when people are resurrected by paramedics\doctors they would have no sould or rememberance of who they are.
Simply not true, easy to disprove, and impossible TO prove. There's your answer.
And have you ever seen those little mini tornado's that are around sometimes ?
If it's not picking up debris it's REALLY hard to see them at all unless you're standing right in it. That would easily cause the swing. There's no such thing as the dead reborn. That's why they call them dead. Because they're dead.
No working brain\nervous system = no life. Period. Even in a lifeless coma, you're brain is still active.
If you're sould leaves the body when you die, then when people are resurrected by paramedics\doctors they would have no sould or rememberance of who they are.
Simply not true, easy to disprove, and impossible TO prove. There's your answer.
I just don't get why people who see/hear/experience things and are not able to immediately find a cause, why it must be assumed the experience should be attributed to something supernatural... instead of assuming it was something else much more likely and logically proven.
The thing that also vexes me a little is when someone says, "No, I really don't think that was a ghost", then the believer says something like "Ok then, if it wasn't a ghost, what was it?"
Just because something cannot be disproven, does not make it true.
Do I believe there are things about our world that are beyond the comprehension of our defined world and laws? Sure, new discoveries are made all the time. There was a time when everyone knew a larger and heavier object would fall to the ground at a faster rate than a smaller one. I also believe that the large majority(more than 95%) of people who say they had a supernatural experience are full of shit. The definition of what a ghost is or isn't varies so much from believer to believer. If you interviewed 20 people who say they've seen a ghost, the likelihood that you would come back with at least 10 different ways to define a ghost are pretty good, IMO.
For those that believe in ghosts and think they know something about them, do you also believe in vampires? Witches? Werewolves? Leprecauns(sp?)? Or any other number or supernatural beings. And just so I'm clear, as far as I know, no one know's anything about ghosts. Ghosts don't fall under what can be called knowledge yet. Belief? sure. Faith? sure. Knowledge? Sorry, no.
There's a bunch of people who believe that John Edwards fag really speaks to their dead relatives, so it's not like I'm all that surprised people believe believe in other things in large numbers.
The thing that also vexes me a little is when someone says, "No, I really don't think that was a ghost", then the believer says something like "Ok then, if it wasn't a ghost, what was it?"
Just because something cannot be disproven, does not make it true.
Do I believe there are things about our world that are beyond the comprehension of our defined world and laws? Sure, new discoveries are made all the time. There was a time when everyone knew a larger and heavier object would fall to the ground at a faster rate than a smaller one. I also believe that the large majority(more than 95%) of people who say they had a supernatural experience are full of shit. The definition of what a ghost is or isn't varies so much from believer to believer. If you interviewed 20 people who say they've seen a ghost, the likelihood that you would come back with at least 10 different ways to define a ghost are pretty good, IMO.
For those that believe in ghosts and think they know something about them, do you also believe in vampires? Witches? Werewolves? Leprecauns(sp?)? Or any other number or supernatural beings. And just so I'm clear, as far as I know, no one know's anything about ghosts. Ghosts don't fall under what can be called knowledge yet. Belief? sure. Faith? sure. Knowledge? Sorry, no.
There's a bunch of people who believe that John Edwards fag really speaks to their dead relatives, so it's not like I'm all that surprised people believe believe in other things in large numbers.
People don't want to believe that when they die, that's it.
Always gotta be some idiot thinking they're going to heaven\hell or will float around earth for eternity.
Accept the fact that you're doomed to nothingness and the life you live now will be that much more enjoyable. You will cherish the things in it and live it in abundance.
Have you learned nothing from the Saw movies ?
Always gotta be some idiot thinking they're going to heaven\hell or will float around earth for eternity.
Accept the fact that you're doomed to nothingness and the life you live now will be that much more enjoyable. You will cherish the things in it and live it in abundance.
Have you learned nothing from the Saw movies ?
Dude Onejoe what the hell is wrong with you? Why are you such a negative fuck nugget. Its The Halloween Season this is what you are suppossed to do. Tell ghost stories... Damn.You and your logic bullshit what are you Mr Fucking Spock ....Fuck off
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Joe...
Ghosts and experiences associated with them is like the tale of the child with a hot oven.
"Don't touch that. Its hot.
You can tell that child and tell that child and blah blah blah...
The child will only believe and learn when they burn themselves.
The same goes for ghosts.
Untill it happens to you, and you experience it, you will not believe.
Simply stating the fact that YOU have not had the experience, DOES NOT MEAN THE EXPERIENCE IS INVALID FOR EVERY ONE.
That's a lame analogy to those that "don't know" or "haven't experienced."
You don't know what I have and haven't experienced anyway. But I guess to you, since I'm not a blind believer then I must not have had the experience. Or whatever you want to call it.
Again, I didn't say it's not possible for such things to exist. Only that I believe the overwhelming majority that claim to know something are full of shit.
Halloween is coming up though. Maybe I'll go exploring and try to find something I haven't seen before. Might be fun. I'll bring a camera.
How do you feel about vampires, werewolves, witches, and other supernatural beings?
You don't know what I have and haven't experienced anyway. But I guess to you, since I'm not a blind believer then I must not have had the experience. Or whatever you want to call it.
Again, I didn't say it's not possible for such things to exist. Only that I believe the overwhelming majority that claim to know something are full of shit.
Halloween is coming up though. Maybe I'll go exploring and try to find something I haven't seen before. Might be fun. I'll bring a camera.
How do you feel about vampires, werewolves, witches, and other supernatural beings?
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Lets go Joe. I'll drive you film. We'll see what's "really" out there. Besides slow S\C Cobras and LS1's. 
Joe, there are four styles of hauntings...
-Demonic (inhuman, and usually violent)
-Poltergeist (Most of the time, in the case of a poltergeist, the haunting circles around a female in her teen years. Some of these cases seem to be caused by the female unknowingly controlling the energy around herself. Some cases happen around people that are stable and in the right mind space. Basicly, they're creating the activity.)
-Intelligent (these are the ghost that actually can be interacted with)
-Residual (this is seen as a playback, and manytimes considered to just be some event imprinted on the area)
The definitions are clear if you actually do your research. The evidence is VERY strong that they exist, but the question is really WHAT are they and WHY do they occure and appear?
Before you jump down my throat, remember that I don't believe there is anything in the photo as the window could be dirty and the flash could be showing the dirt, ect...
-Demonic (inhuman, and usually violent)
-Poltergeist (Most of the time, in the case of a poltergeist, the haunting circles around a female in her teen years. Some of these cases seem to be caused by the female unknowingly controlling the energy around herself. Some cases happen around people that are stable and in the right mind space. Basicly, they're creating the activity.)
-Intelligent (these are the ghost that actually can be interacted with)
-Residual (this is seen as a playback, and manytimes considered to just be some event imprinted on the area)
The definitions are clear if you actually do your research. The evidence is VERY strong that they exist, but the question is really WHAT are they and WHY do they occure and appear?
Before you jump down my throat, remember that I don't believe there is anything in the photo as the window could be dirty and the flash could be showing the dirt, ect...
hehehe, that's a funny question...
In some ways yes, I believe in the lessons. THough I don't want to turn this into a biblical discussion, I've seen too much evidence and seen too much myself to not believe there are things outside of our laws of physics and our perception of reality...
Not necessarily saying it's the dead soul of someone, it could be any number of things that we can't perceive...
Think about it this way. Heat, you can feel it, and it's effects, but only under the right conditions can you really view it as a wavyness in the air. Paranormal activity could just be something we haven't discovered...
In some ways yes, I believe in the lessons. THough I don't want to turn this into a biblical discussion, I've seen too much evidence and seen too much myself to not believe there are things outside of our laws of physics and our perception of reality...
Not necessarily saying it's the dead soul of someone, it could be any number of things that we can't perceive...
Think about it this way. Heat, you can feel it, and it's effects, but only under the right conditions can you really view it as a wavyness in the air. Paranormal activity could just be something we haven't discovered...
Well if you believe anything from the Bible then you believe in God and Angels, and Satan and his Demons, correct ?
Demons would be the "ghosts" you speak of.
They were also called Nephelim (sp?) from Noah's day. They materialized into human form and started to take over the surroundings. After the flood God forbade Demons\Angels from materializing ever again, thus making them invisible and impossible to see. If we could see them through human vision then they would be "materialized" and immediately destroyed by God.
Those who "think" they see those things are only seeing what they choose to believe, as science AND faith in the bible have disproved time and time again.
The mind is a VERY powerful tool to use and by infusing deception and unrealism into it, anything can be seen or believed to be true and present, regardless of fact or logic.
Demons would be the "ghosts" you speak of.
They were also called Nephelim (sp?) from Noah's day. They materialized into human form and started to take over the surroundings. After the flood God forbade Demons\Angels from materializing ever again, thus making them invisible and impossible to see. If we could see them through human vision then they would be "materialized" and immediately destroyed by God.
Those who "think" they see those things are only seeing what they choose to believe, as science AND faith in the bible have disproved time and time again.
The mind is a VERY powerful tool to use and by infusing deception and unrealism into it, anything can be seen or believed to be true and present, regardless of fact or logic.
true, which is one reasoning for it...
seeing things move, catching things on film, voices, ect...
During the scientific revolution, data was thrown out because it didn't fit with their theories. This is bad science and it is gradually being fixed by more open minded scientists that want to find answers.
I do NOT believe in some of the crazies that don't substantiate their claims with evidence. TAPS is one that does get evidence and uses all the technology they can to try and explain and debunk...
seeing things move, catching things on film, voices, ect...
During the scientific revolution, data was thrown out because it didn't fit with their theories. This is bad science and it is gradually being fixed by more open minded scientists that want to find answers.
I do NOT believe in some of the crazies that don't substantiate their claims with evidence. TAPS is one that does get evidence and uses all the technology they can to try and explain and debunk...
Joe, of course Leprechauns exist. Didn't you hear...One was spotted in Alabama. All those witnesses can't be wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nda_OSWeyn8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nda_OSWeyn8