This isn't a Bush thread. You didn't even read the story at the link did you? You can crack jokes all you want. If you can't laugh at yourself and others, then you will end up dying of a stroke.
The reason the Dems did not gain the GOP
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Nick M said:
No no, I didnt really read if it was a bush thread or not, and didnt read the link, just alot of new threads comin up and just wanted to put this somewhere without having to make a new thread, srry if I derailed it. Just didnt wanna start a new thread, to many political ones poppin up.
Adjuster said:
I thought Gore had more votes by the people, but less of the electoral college votes.
Kerry had less votes period.
Nixon, Regan, or Kennedy (one of the recent presidents) also had less votes by the people, but more electoral college votes but people don't make a stink about that.
Adjuster
Supramania Contributor
The college is all that counts. It was designed that way for a purpose. To not let the larger populated states take over the smaller more farm based states.
Good idea? I think so. (It promotes a responsible government based on mostly land owning voters if you think about it. Farmers get more say than city dwelling people due to the college.)
Good idea? I think so. (It promotes a responsible government based on mostly land owning voters if you think about it. Farmers get more say than city dwelling people due to the college.)
Nick M said:
WTF are you talkin about Nick, I havent read one of your threads in a while, I'm stayin out of them, I just saw that video, and thought it went to all these political post u make.
Well, in the past Diebold strongly denied to make their voting machines' source code public or to have it reviewed by independent professionals. They are black boxes, no one outside from Diebold really knows what's going on in those things. And there is no provision for double-checking the results.
For something that election turnouts depend on, I find that rather irritating. But maybe that's just me.
Another thing I find rather irritating:
Taken from http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm, an article from 2003:
There's no hard proof for any manipulations done by Diebold, but there surely is a very bad aftertaste IMO.
Something not related to Diebold's relations to the republican party is that Diebold's devices seem to be very error-prone and easy to hack:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060825-7592.html
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20060906_diebold_hacked_in_four_minutes/
http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/1954/36510.html
http://www.columbusdispatch.com/news-story.php?story=205502
etc. etc.
The machines being prone to manipulation is of course not a Republicans vs. Democrats issue, but it makes election turnouts based on those machines questionable IMO.
For something that election turnouts depend on, I find that rather irritating. But maybe that's just me.
Another thing I find rather irritating:
Taken from http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm, an article from 2003:
There's no hard proof for any manipulations done by Diebold, but there surely is a very bad aftertaste IMO.
Something not related to Diebold's relations to the republican party is that Diebold's devices seem to be very error-prone and easy to hack:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060825-7592.html
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20060906_diebold_hacked_in_four_minutes/
http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/1954/36510.html
http://www.columbusdispatch.com/news-story.php?story=205502
etc. etc.
The machines being prone to manipulation is of course not a Republicans vs. Democrats issue, but it makes election turnouts based on those machines questionable IMO.
Since you do not live in the US, I will cut you some slack. The only counties with "voting irregularities" were controlled by the ones that were doing the complaining.
And a missile hit the pentagon. And there are aliens at area 51.
And a missile hit the pentagon. And there are aliens at area 51.
Which election(s) are you referring to exactly?Nick M said:
Finally you see the light! Lol, j/k.Nick M said:
You forgot to mention though that Dubya himself is an alien. His mission is to cause war, discord and chaos in the formerly peaceful regions on earth, so it's easier for the aliens to invade us :bigthumb:
News flash, not everyone trying to point out inconsistencies is a conspiracy nut.
Adjuster
Supramania Contributor
Let me get this straight, you think elections are rigged in the USA by republicans (the right)?
And you ignore the blantant ballot box stuffing done by liberals (the left) in EVERY election for the past 50 years?
I have seen teams of liberals with cartons of smokes passing them out to homeless people, telling them how to vote, and if you go vote for "Sore/Loserman" they would give them a carton of smokes...(this was during the Gore/Leiberman campaign, and if the Bush/Cheney camp had done this, the media would be all over them.)
Same goes in Florida. You know why it was so contested in Florida? The Dem's had spent so much money to throw the vote there, and it did not work. Even with all the tricks, and blatant voter fraud on the part of the Democrats, they still lost in Florida, and it pissed them off.
It helped that Gore is a serious ass nugget, who decided to for the first time in history, contest a national election in the face of a clear loss. The wankers and whiners in the liberal camp still moan and groan about their guy Al who should be king, but failed to win due to default... Blah blah blah.
Can you all imagine a world where Gore was president for the past 8 years.
1) We would not be at war with terrorism. We would be negotiating with them.
2) We would be paying 5.00 or more for our gas. Gore supports the idea that limiting fossil fuels use by high taxes is a good thing. (Just like his socialist friends in Europe do to their populations.)
3) We would have had more acts of terrorism here in the USA because I belive Gore does not have the common sense to wire tap everyone who might be a terrorist, and then act on the ones we do find.
We have not been terrorist act free for 5 years on accident folks. We have caught many terrorists here in the USA. And we have shipped them off to Cuba to await trial.
Personally I think we are being too nice. We should return them home after extensive interrogation. Just don't land the plane, drop them off and turn around for the return trip. (At 45,000 feet, what a thrill for them, and so close to Allah even.. You freeze to death on the way down, but you don't care since at 45k, there is not enough air to breathe.)
The best part is their cold terrorist body would be returned to it's native land... And what a fitting ending for a terrorist. We could even drop them off on Friday, and do it right according to local tradition. (Every Islamic land executes people on Friday.) I'd even come up with a statement for this. "We are releasing terrorists to let Allah determine their fate."
And you ignore the blantant ballot box stuffing done by liberals (the left) in EVERY election for the past 50 years?
I have seen teams of liberals with cartons of smokes passing them out to homeless people, telling them how to vote, and if you go vote for "Sore/Loserman" they would give them a carton of smokes...(this was during the Gore/Leiberman campaign, and if the Bush/Cheney camp had done this, the media would be all over them.)
Same goes in Florida. You know why it was so contested in Florida? The Dem's had spent so much money to throw the vote there, and it did not work. Even with all the tricks, and blatant voter fraud on the part of the Democrats, they still lost in Florida, and it pissed them off.
It helped that Gore is a serious ass nugget, who decided to for the first time in history, contest a national election in the face of a clear loss. The wankers and whiners in the liberal camp still moan and groan about their guy Al who should be king, but failed to win due to default... Blah blah blah.
Can you all imagine a world where Gore was president for the past 8 years.
1) We would not be at war with terrorism. We would be negotiating with them.
2) We would be paying 5.00 or more for our gas. Gore supports the idea that limiting fossil fuels use by high taxes is a good thing. (Just like his socialist friends in Europe do to their populations.)
3) We would have had more acts of terrorism here in the USA because I belive Gore does not have the common sense to wire tap everyone who might be a terrorist, and then act on the ones we do find.
We have not been terrorist act free for 5 years on accident folks. We have caught many terrorists here in the USA. And we have shipped them off to Cuba to await trial.
Personally I think we are being too nice. We should return them home after extensive interrogation. Just don't land the plane, drop them off and turn around for the return trip. (At 45,000 feet, what a thrill for them, and so close to Allah even.. You freeze to death on the way down, but you don't care since at 45k, there is not enough air to breathe.)
The best part is their cold terrorist body would be returned to it's native land... And what a fitting ending for a terrorist. We could even drop them off on Friday, and do it right according to local tradition. (Every Islamic land executes people on Friday.) I'd even come up with a statement for this. "We are releasing terrorists to let Allah determine their fate."
So they went into the polling booth together with the homeless people and watched them making their cross? Or how did they check that they indeed voted for the Democrats?Adjuster said:
If so, I kinda doubt that only Democrats used such tricks in the past 50 years. Or are you saying that all republican politicians are thoroughly honest when it comes to elections?
After all, it's still "mobilizing voters". Some voters are mobilized by politicians through speeches, programmes, promises. Others are mobilized by cartons of smokes...
Counting votes that have never been cast OTOH is forgery.
I don't know what would have happened if Gore had won the elections, no one does, not even you can know for sure
It's just that IF more people wanted Gore than Bush, then Gore should be in the White House. That's democracy. No matter if YOU don't like it.
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lanky189
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I can help with the Diebold part..as its based in my home town and I am friends with an employee
To say these machines are designed to sway votes is rediculous..
and ofcourse they're not giving up the innards of the best selling voting box made...that's like inventing a new light bulb but then telling everyone else exactly how to do it...
aside from taht the screwed up votes in Fla weren't machine done..they were idiot done...by hand.
To say these machines are designed to sway votes is rediculous..
and ofcourse they're not giving up the innards of the best selling voting box made...that's like inventing a new light bulb but then telling everyone else exactly how to do it...
aside from taht the screwed up votes in Fla weren't machine done..they were idiot done...by hand.
Just out of curiositiy, how many employees are working for Diebold? And what position within the company does your friend have?lanky189 said:
I thought that's what the patent law was invented for?lanky189 said:
And what I said was "[..] to make their voting machines' source code public or to have it reviewed by independent professionals".
But it's your country and your votes, I'll refrain from intefering any more. I was originally just trying to provoke some thought.
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lanky189
Guest
I don't know how many people work there..my friend was/is a machinist there..
not a pen pusher in the office, but diebold is a strange company...iso 9000 certified and what not they have a really open in house policy...the employees know everything thats going on...
btw...Diebold also makes ATMs....does that mean the atm's keep some of your money and send it to Republican party headquarters?
The idea that a company that makes ballot boxes is making them with a conservative prejudice illustrates how desperate liberals can get to sully the name and quality of the conservative leaders in america.
not a pen pusher in the office, but diebold is a strange company...iso 9000 certified and what not they have a really open in house policy...the employees know everything thats going on...
btw...Diebold also makes ATMs....does that mean the atm's keep some of your money and send it to Republican party headquarters?
The idea that a company that makes ballot boxes is making them with a conservative prejudice illustrates how desperate liberals can get to sully the name and quality of the conservative leaders in america.