Alright for what it worth, I guess my main reason for even being in this business in the first place is one because I love it, and two because I can help people out. A lot of people need custom fabrication and machine work and don't know where to go for it. I don't know of any shops in my area that will even attempt making a custom turbo manifold. If you want a manifold that hangs six turbos a top it, and sticks out of the hood for example, I could do it. If you are making huge power and seek a manifold with dual wastegate provisions, or a T6 flange...I could do it. Or say you wanna run twin CT's, and want a downpipe that brings the two into one...I can do it. If your still listening I can keep going on with examples:biglaugh: Anyways, I do custom manifolds for those who want to run something other than what the Ebay manifold comes equipt with. Believe it or not, there is a market for that.
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I don't take sides on here because I see both sides points and aknowledge them as well.
As I previously stated to Aaron: If I were going to go with a t4 based turbo (I am not BTW, I will be using a BOSS series turbo) I would drop a line to one of the custom fabricators on here and tell them what I'm looking for and have them make it for me
. If I were doing a relatively cheap rebuild (which I'm not, that's why it's taking so long ) I would most likely buy an off brand tubular manifold. They have been proven to hold up very well to the punishment you dish out to them, especially if you brace the manifold properly (a weak point IMO straight out of the box), but this wouldn't need to be done with a custom made one as I would make sure to tell the fabricator to make it damn sturdy for me so I wouldn't have to worry about it cracking later .
So in essence, to each his own, if you want to spend good money for a custom made manifold, that's your perogative. If you want to buy a pre made one that a lot of people use, that's also your perogative. I salute you PTP for making custom parts for us supra enthusiasts. Keep up the good work!
As I previously stated to Aaron: If I were going to go with a t4 based turbo (I am not BTW, I will be using a BOSS series turbo) I would drop a line to one of the custom fabricators on here and tell them what I'm looking for and have them make it for me
. If I were doing a relatively cheap rebuild (which I'm not, that's why it's taking so long ) I would most likely buy an off brand tubular manifold. They have been proven to hold up very well to the punishment you dish out to them, especially if you brace the manifold properly (a weak point IMO straight out of the box), but this wouldn't need to be done with a custom made one as I would make sure to tell the fabricator to make it damn sturdy for me so I wouldn't have to worry about it cracking later .So in essence, to each his own, if you want to spend good money for a custom made manifold, that's your perogative. If you want to buy a pre made one that a lot of people use, that's also your perogative. I salute you PTP for making custom parts for us supra enthusiasts
. Keep up the good work!What you still fail to understand is that first off I never Knocked your product. If you take the time to read what I said, I complimented you on the quality of your product. You also might read where I wished you luck on sales of your manifold. You seem to be upset that I pointed out the reality that the majority of people will use the ebay manifold. If you take that comment as im trying to discourage you or knock your product than you are obviously taking it the wrong way. Im not to fond of how you need to bash another product to promote yours. I simply pointed out where you were incorect on the durability of those manifolds. What you fail to realize is Im speaking from experience with them not internet hearsay. You shouldnt need to bash another product to promote yours especially when its been proven to work and quite well actually.Take Ron for example. He does incredible work and lets his quality speak for itself. Luckily there are people in this community willing to spend the extra for top notch products and Im sure you will sell a few of these to those people.
I believe that that anyone who makes top notch custom products for the mk3 is right up there with momma's homemade biscuits. And anyone who has, never gets away with a few people tell them they are wasting their time. Don't get turned off, when people learn the diffrence between a thin wall china manifold and a well made big tube manifold capable of flowing air for over 1000 hp. Then they will come around.
suprarich said:
Amen brother. Couldn't have said it better myself. I am not a pipe dreamer, I doubt that I'll sell more than 5 of these manifolds, to me that makes it even cooler , or more valuable to whomever does buy one. Somehow, companies like Snap-On still stay in business selling tools that cost many times over what the same China set would go for. Why do you think that is? Quality and warranty. Throw a little bit of horsepower, and customization into that same equation and I think I have a damn good product worth every cent. I guess 2j
is waiting for me to say thanks for realizing that I have a good product, well thanks. I guess I was maybe taking his comments the wrong way, but like I said, my work is my art. Oh, and if you want me to take back what I said about the Ebay manifolds...done...whatever:naughty: Oh, one last thing, does anyone know what type of manifold Duane has? if you read his thread about his SCC experience, he mentioned has manifold cracked twice, and had to be removed and welded. Bad times...I've never had one of mine crack. I would like to move on from this discussion, i am getting really tired of defending myself for building baddass parts.:biglaugh:
PowerTrip Performance said:
im pretty sure duanes manifold that cracked was either a greddy or an rps... not exactly companies you would put in the same sentence as "bad quality" :dunno:
BoostedFloto said:
I was sure with Duanes was using a top notch manifold, just pointing out that it does happen, and even with high dollar manifolds. I have never had one of mine crack (ever) not to say that some day it might, but I strongly doubt it to the extent that I will replace or refund the manifold.
At the time Duane ran a Greddy, I am almost positive on that, but I could be wrong. Greddy is another manifold of 304ss construction. The RPS is 321ss, but as you said, you didn't think it'd matter. It may not.
KevinM said:
Greddy and RPS both use thin wall tubing, same stuff as a typical header. Mine are made with 1/8"+ wall thickness, theirs maybe at most 1/16". Thats the difference. I stick by my statement that 304 vs 321 makes very little to no difference in a manifold cracking or not. Its not the grade of steel that makes them crack, its the weight of the turbo/wastegate/downpipe/exhaust, putting stress on the runners. Mine are built like a friggin' tank to take that stress.
Here's Duane's page on cardomain if you want to see the current progress
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/325142
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/325142
Duane's car is truly one to be envied. Says he has a Ron R. turbo manifold though not RPS or GReddy, maybe he replaced his old one with a Ron R. since the whole cracking issue? None the less, a truly awesome car, and he seems to be a really cool guy.