Suspension Techniques:: The Good - Bad - Ugly?
- Thread starter Supra469
- Start date
love them i have targa and they are nice. install is easier with a second person (use glasses its dirty under there) and pretty fast actually.
i think i have a review on this in our review section i'll doublecheck...
*edit* yup http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12439
and i do have targa
i think i have a review on this in our review section i'll doublecheck...
*edit* yup http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12439
and i do have targa
shameless plug for whiteline swaybars here...
swaybars where the easiest mod I've done that made the car the most enjoyable. Just overall feels much better in all regards without being harsh to ride in at all.
swaybars where the easiest mod I've done that made the car the most enjoyable. Just overall feels much better in all regards without being harsh to ride in at all.
I'll agree to the ease of installation, the package came with everything needed. I've got them on my targa car but my motor is out so I can't tell you much about how it handles on the road. :icon_razz
Mine came in this strange neon green, my initial thought was that I ordered a really disfigured lime that didn't come with a Corona. Heh.
Mine came in this strange neon green, my initial thought was that I ordered a really disfigured lime that didn't come with a Corona. Heh.
Poodles said:
Another good thing on the whitelines are this: Both the front and rear bars a adjustable, the front one from ST isn't.
sway bars are the single best sus mod you can do....well, short of replacing your blown out 20+ yr old stock struts/springs.
I run ST bars also and Love them and agree with the dr, they are the best suspension mod you can do. One thing I don't quite get is on the adjustable thing, I highly doubt ST just whipped up a specific diameter bar to use on an MKIII, I would imagine they did great testing before deciding on the diameter we use. So if everyones MKIII weighs plus or minus a few pounds here and there why exactly would you want adjustable? and why would you wanna get under there and change it for a specific reason? I've seen some pics of the other brand on some cars with a good set up on the track and it sure looked to me like the car had more body roll than I care to have, I kinda prefer having less body roll and putting more on my tires. I realize this makes it required to have some stickier tires too, but thats just what I prefer.
Adjustable sway bars are set up specifically for the reason you mentioned. To tune them on a track to your likings. You have 3 choices of positions with the front bar: Standard, firmer, or softer. One will give you a more firm ride, one will give you less, and one will be in between the two. You switch them around to your liking until you find what's right for you, instead of being stuck with only one option. Think of it in kinda like this: an upgraded supsension (eibach springs, tokico shocks) versus coilovers.
Personal driving preference.
Swaybars won't effect ride quality except maybe in the middle of a corner... even then...
Swaybars won't effect ride quality except maybe in the middle of a corner... even then...
Well, trying to give a comparison of an upgraded, non-adjustable product for the supra, versus an adjustable one, didn't mean to get to technical with the example used 
.
.
I understand what they do, I am trying to understand why someone would want to put a set of sway bars on if it were not to be able to go around a race course the fastest, in other words since ALL of our cars are basically the same, if the lowest setting on the bar got you the fastest around the course it would be the same for every supra MKIII out there right? vise versa. The ST bars suit me very well I've always felt safer in a car that handles like a slot car anyways, and I've always blown the wad on my tires since they are the only thing between my ass and the road. I dont even mess with my TEMS shocks since they give the two settings that I prefer a caddy ride and a stiff ride. My rear ST's do have two settings but I was warned on the tighter setting they could snap the plastic end links, so I'll wait until the day I can beef up the brackets and use heim joints to replace the plastic one's.
Personal preference. Do you like a car that will always turn in, but you need to be more delicate on the throttle? Or do you like a little less over steer and the ability to boot it? Are you ham fisted? If so you'll set it up to be able to stay on course...
Also, "basically" the same doesn't really cut it, suspension is a very fine tuned art. While these have a tiny fraction of the adjustability of a real race car, its one step closer.
Also, "basically" the same doesn't really cut it, suspension is a very fine tuned art. While these have a tiny fraction of the adjustability of a real race car, its one step closer.
mkIIIman089 said:
:word8kn:
But for those of us who use the Supra as our DD, we don't need a full racing suspension. Just something that makes it fun on the weekends.
I actually prefer a car that when someone places their car in the path of mine I have the best ability to avoid it, either on surface streets, or on the freeway at high speeds. That's the number one reason I buy sway bars, and expensive tires, it's called defensive driving. I put them on everything I drive.
suprageezer said:
holy oversimplification batman
our cars are not basically the same the difference between a road going supra and a preped race supra cause different bar rates to be needed. i would like evven more adjustments on the bar but im just going to make my own once i finalize shocks. your bar rate is affected by many many things such as wheels, tires, spring rate, weight, weight loss over a race, the kind of turns your taking and a lot more stuff not to mention the greatest difference driver preference. that alone warrants a adjustment
also ive ran my bar on the "stiffer" setting for 3 years with two full season of autocross and have not broken the endlinks or the mounting tabs
I'd tend to stick to oversimplification since it applies to the Vast majority of Supras here that are driven on the street and an occasional zip around a road course. A RACE PREPPED MKIII is a whole other world I am sure, one someone could fret over day and night like anyone with a race car. I would imagine a race prepped MKIII would have totally customized bars made for it by one of the premier racing sway bar manufacturers. Not the ones that are mass produced for our mostly DD's