Stupid Question time - Driving from Canada to US

Grandavi

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I just thought of something.. and was wondering...
I am planning on going through from Alberta .. to Nevada.. and to Calif... next summer or the following one.

My car is about to get the cat deleted. Can the police actually touch my car if I am running catless with a Canadian plate? (Im thinking no.. but it doesnt hurt to ask)

Would like to actually make it down to Texas but doubt I will make it that far. Apparently they have a 80 mph highway running now?
 

Nick M

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Grandavi;1886390 said:
My car is about to get the cat deleted. Can the police actually touch my car if I am running catless with a Canadian plate? (Im thinking no.. but it doesnt hurt to ask)

Do you also think you can go to a foreign country and commit murder?
 

Grandavi

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not sure how that ties in.. lol. but no. However, enviro laws may affect non-citizens indirectly. For instance... you cannot insure your car without getting your car "air-cared" in BC. In Alberta.. we dont have that yet. I can drive in BC legally... but I can't kill anyone without the police getting a tiny bit upset.

so... thats why I asked.

(not gonna argue the effectiveness or enviro impact of a cat btw... )
 

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Nick M;1886429 said:
Do you also think you can go to a foreign country and commit murder?
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91Supra313

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You should be good in all the other states....Just be prepared when you hit Cali....Have the ATM card in hand along with license and registration.... If it looks like a racer ( yes racer....not RICER ) They will probably pull you over. I have been there 2 times and pulled over both times in my buddies NSX. I wasn't driving but they wanted to check his exhaust. It wasn't even loud. But they wanted to make sure it had proper cats on it. Ridiculous....Like they don't have anything better to do with their time.
 

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How exactly would folks in California know whether a certain bit was required or not in a foreign country? Catalytic converters haven't been around forever. What are they going to do if I drive down in my friend's 32 Ford? It doesn't have cats. Never has.
 

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GrimJack;1886510 said:
How exactly would folks in California know whether a certain bit was required or not in a foreign country? Catalytic converters haven't been around forever. What are they going to do if I drive down in my friend's 32 Ford? It doesn't have cats. Never has.

vehicles that never came installed with cats dont need to have them. well at least in washington that is.
cats have been around since the 70s though.
why cali is so strick on environment is because of smog. in LA, it sits in a bowl basically, and smog would be trapped in the bowl. cali has way more emmission parts on their vechicles for this reason.
you probally ask how do i know.....well im actually learning about all this right now in my auto class. and this is the topic were on.haha
 

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US sold cars had a label that said "No catalytic converter" in the 70's when they didn't have one from production. Inside door label just like the other things they stick there.
 

Grandavi

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Okay.. I understand obeying the laws of the land, however, I was questioning more of a "policing" stand point. I have heard that they have cameras/guns or w/e that can sense if there is a cat in the exhaust by doing a thermoprint of your car. Generally speaking, if I am driving through California.. would there be any worry regarding them searching for catless vehicles? If so.. is the crime rate really that low? lol.
Seriously, this isn't anything even close to murder, theft or drug running.. this is me driving without a cat on a 1988 Supra. Should I be concerned at all if I do that? I'm more worried about impounding a car that is legal to drive in my country or destroying it.

The only reason I ask is I hear stories, and just wondered about the reality. Dont stretch this to the extremes.. this is.. "in reality..."

Adding a 3" high flow cat is not a big thing. There are a lot of add-ons that we use that are "off-road only". So.. lets not get extreme here.
 

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So there's a couple of things here. One is what the actual law applicable is. Smog regulations are usually more administrative, which relates tot he registration and title of a vehicle, and as such, Canadian citizens are out of the local baliwick. If they're going to allow a Canadian registered vehicle on their highways at all, then they are accepting that it meets the administrative standards required in the province of registration, unless they can prove otherwise. California may have laws for DRIVING without one, but all I've been able to find are laws for California residents (Except in certain rural areas) to abide by CARB regulations to have their car smog certified, which is required for registration.

As for federal law, I found this: "The federal government says you can't touch the converter unless the original is missing or damaged, the vehicle is older than 1996 and has more than 50,000 miles or it's a 1996-and-later vehicle with more than 80,000 miles." This appears to refer to federal emissions standards (Though it may vary from state to state) and would indicate that a 1988 vehicle with a removed cat isn't a problem for the federal government.

So let's say that I'm a Nevada resident, and I have a car, licensed and registered in Nevada which doesn't meet CARB regulations. If I drive into Los Angeles, am I going in there to "commit murder" simply because my (for the sake of argument) BRAND NEW CAR wasn't manufactured to California standards? Certainly I couldn't have registered it as a Los Angeles resident, but does that mean that I can't drive it there?

If my Supra were totally, completely 100% stock, it wouldn't meet California standards, since my car would have needed a second catalytic converter for California emissions standards in 1989. Would that mean that I couldn't drive it into the state even if I'd never made a single modification from stock, even if it were brand new? Seems unreasonable. I'd accept if I could not register it there, though If I were to move there, I could probably have applied for an exemption for a car of that age.

So as far as I've been able to determine, a catalytic converter could be reasonably removed from a 1988 vehicle and still meet federal legal standards.

As for California standards, that 3" high flow cat wouldn't help you. It's every bit as illegal as none at all where their laws are concerned. The only thing that they would accept at all is having two (Since your turbo car came with two) cats in the OEM positions, and those only from a select list of approved models. (Since my car only came with one as an NA, I wonder how that would apply to me. Being reasonable, it should go with the motor, but reason has long since left the building, and it may go with the chassis.)

Another issue entirely is enforcement.

Around here, it's illegal to have tint on any window forward of the driver's seating position. This means front door windows and windshields. Tinted front windows are not at all uncommon here, and people get away with it for years on end. Generally when I hear of people getting a tinted window ticket, they've attracted police attention for something else first. I think the question also related to the likelihood of getting pulled over for a smog check, assuming that he's done nothing else to attract the attention of a local officer. I can't answer to that, or even give any educated speculation.

Oh, what I can say is that the entire province of BC does NOT have Air Care, just the Vancouver area does. My father lives in BC and doesn't have to pass Air Care (Though his vehicles would anyway.)
 

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If you have out of state plates, or out of country for that matter, anyone can play ignorant of any laws like emissions. Plus since you are not a resident there I do believe you will be fine just passing through.
 

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Grandavi;1886390 said:
Would like to actually make it down to Texas but doubt I will make it that far. Apparently they have a 80 mph highway running now?
There is a stretch of I-15 in Utah that is the same way too. Maybe by the time I'm an old man, speed limits will be more reasonable. Much like Germany has stretches of their highways without restrictions, America could easily do the same. You ever drive through parts of Utah/Nevada? Cruising at 130+ wouldn't be an issue if you're in a car that can do it.

I think the greater trouble is the rest of the drivers though...

Poodles;1886452 said:
You're fine. Out of all the states, only Cali. would be the issue because they're environazis :p
Agreed. Nevada and Texas (as well as the rest of the states on the way there and back) have never even asked or bothered to look under my car in the times I've been pulled over.

GrimJack;1886510 said:
How exactly would folks in California know whether a certain bit was required or not in a foreign country? Catalytic converters haven't been around forever. What are they going to do if I drive down in my friend's 32 Ford? It doesn't have cats. Never has.
If it wasn't made with it, it doesn't require it. However California (despite being the "car capital of the world") has never had a reputation for being kind to the hotrod community...

Canuckrz;1886502 said:

CyFi6;1886517 said:
Fuck you, I would if I could!
I'm with Cy here... Not sure of the logistics, but I'd at least TRY. Probably start with a tiny one first... don't wanna break the modem. :p


Grandavi, Dan above nailed it. If it's legal where you live, it's legal to drive anywhere Canadian plates are accepted. I've never once been harassed about emissions equipment on my car no matter where I've driven it. Hell, my motor isn't even legal to register in Cali. On the subject of tint, I have been pulled over for it in Utah once, possibly twice. I suspect that wasn't the entire reason he pulled me over, (Utah and Wyoming plates tend to get pulled over in the other state), he tried telling me that it was too dark. I merely pointed out that in Wyoming it meets the requirement, and that is where it is registered, where I am also a resident. Never been given a ticket for that.

Just remember, if you do get pulled over, stay respectful. These guys have a difficult enough job, and being respectful and friendly never hurts. :)