Stinger > Maft-Pro?

[FullNelson]

Looking at the Different ems options and everyone seems to be taking to the Maft-pro. Cost wise thier both about the same. $750 for maft pro vs $900 and figure in a few hundred for some dyno, plus and optional $200 for a pnp harness for the stinger.

The stinger might be a little harder to tune, but it gives you a lot more options to play with also, while the maft pro is still just working on tweaking the engine signals to manipulate the oem ECU. besides maft pro still gives you the FC headache.

What are the big advantages disadvantges?Seeems like the stinger would be a great stepping stone to get the car tuned just how you need it. whats your thoughts?

 

[suprahero]

I dont' know anything at all about the MAFTpro, but I do have a stinger and it gets easier and easier to tune the more I play with it. There are a few members on here that have helped me out and the guy that tunes my car on the dyno loves it. He said he wished everyone used the Stinger. It's just a decision you'll have to make for yourself, but I love mine.

 

[GrimJack]

Love the MAFT Pro. Set the basic parameters, plug in your wideband, tell it what AFR you want at WOT, and let it figure the rest out.

Ok, it's not quite that simple, but it's a SHITLOAD easier than any standalone I've ever seen.

 

[Mr. Y]

I'm with Grim.
Tuned Haltech for myself and MAFT-Pro for friend of mine... The first impression after installing MAFT-Pro was "Shit! This thing doesn't need tuning, it already running"... But on the other hand, I don't know what's happening with timing on maft-pro, so I'm a bit scared...

PS: MAft-Pro and standalone are totally different things!

 

[Jaguar_5]

MAFT Pro does have the ability to monitor timing, and will have the ability to control timing but it seems people are having problems with that at the moment...

 

[Poodles]

MAFT Pro is a piggyback while Stinger is a full standalone.

As such the MAFT Pro will allow the car to run easily after being installed, but the Stinger requires tuning.

Standalones have their issues. Namely they take a lot of time to get fully tuned as weather changes, ect require retuning. Not to mention it's easier to damage something if you don't know what you're doing with a standalone.

 

[Silent Deatz]

Is anywhere in the world a 7M-GTE Stinger pnp harness availible?

 

[steven89]

Is anywhere in the world a 7M-GTE Stinger pnp harness availible?

I dont know but id say that Driftmotion or maybe Kaizen Motorsports would be the people to ask. They are both vendors here at SM.

DM has a PnP harness for the 1jz though.

 

[bigaaron]

It's really about performance. The maft pro is easier to set up initially, but I found it was harder to get really dialed in. You'll have lean spikes at tip in and you'll never really have COMPLETE control of the timing or fuel, because you are basically tricking the ecu into doing what you want it to do. Everyone says the maft pro is so easy, yet I have as much dyno time on maft pro as anyone here, and I never really got it perfect. My friend Aaron also had one and had the same experience. I actually spent LESS time getting the standalone dialed in then the maft pro. If you put in the time with the standalone it will pay off in performance. If you have a basically stock engine, or want something that tunes like an afc but with more features, then maft pro is a good option. I did think the maft pro was a good deal for the money, better then any other piggyback for the 7m in my opinion.

 

[FullNelson]

Im agreeing about the maft pro being the best product for the piggyback, yet for the money and a bit more attention in the form of proper tuning you could get a standalone with the ability to rev higher to accomidate larger turbos or antilag/2-steps. Not to mention the fact you can get much more accurate tune with the standalone. I guess I was just wondering why more people haven't just gone the way of a standalone when considering different engine management systems?

 

[GrimJack]

Simple, really, it's cost. Anyone can install a MAFT Pro, so you're looking at purchase price and that's it.

For a standalone, your average guy HAS to get it professionally installed, and professionally tuned, and he needs to buy it initially, so the total cost of ownership is much higher.

 

[bigaaron]

Simple, really, it's cost. Anyone can install a MAFT Pro, so you're looking at purchase price and that's it.

For a standalone, your average guy HAS to get it professionally installed, and professionally tuned, and he needs to buy it initially, so the total cost of ownership is much higher.

Yes, the standalone is more expensive for sure, but professional installation is deffinately not needed for a PNP Stinger. The installation is actually easier for a standalone with a pnp harness then for a piggyback. One vacuum line, a bosch relay where the stock fp relay was, and maybe 2 wires for a idle control solenoid. The wiring is more simplified then maft pro or multiple piggybacks. And with maps for so many different engine combinations now, getting it running is easy. Tuning should be done by someone with experience, but same would go for a maft pro. It just seems many people have talked themselves out of it because someone said it was so hard to do. It's really not.

 

[FullNelson]

Thats what i was figuring. I would want the standalone, and I would figure I could get it installed and loaded with atleast a basemap and enough to have it drive its self on a trailer. Yet what I find as being the biggest problem is finding someone who has both had experience with the supra and the stinger ecu. Ive felt like standalone was the way to go, but so many people seem to take an easy way out with maft pro, but then still have problems with stuff like FC and timing, where as the standalone allows you to adjust all aspects of the engine, and as is the case with motec allows you to enhance control of the engine, such as drive by wire and T/C.

 

[GrimJack]

I hadn't realized you had a PnP harness for the Stinger! That will make a huge difference. Maybe I'll change my mind and switch to one of those...

 

[FullNelson]

Agreed. That solves about half of the argument to why go Maft pro.

 

[sneakypete]

The stinger PnP harness is available for the MK3???

 

[figgie]

stand alone (stinger) v. Maft-Pro (Piggyback)?

it is all in what you want out of it.

Complete control of ALL engine parameters or to be confined with the parameters of the stock ecu?

A standalone, no matter how easy is still not a simple ordeal. See the AEM in that fiasco when someone that thinks they know what they are doing, does not. Then you get the "HELP, CANNOT START" or, "Does any one have a base maps for xxxx".

 

[simpsons7s]

I will chime in because I have owned and worked on both, The maft-pro and stinger both have about the same amount of wiring to install if you include the pnp harness from driftmotion. I have installed both and they are relitively the same if you compaire the maft-pros speed density setup to the base pnp stinger setup. The maft-pro was very easy to set and run with the base settings, I will add that after many dyno runs and two years of driving and tuning sessions I felt that the maft-pro didn't offer enough and had trouble with lean spike during tip in and that there wasn't enough rpm points to tune at. Part of that is because of my mod level. I think maftpro is great for the price and a very well thought out product, it is the best you can get without going standalone.
Now for the stinger, I didn't like the stinger because of install headaches untill Bigaaron started making the pnp harness for it. I never did like making my own harness. He turned it into a easy install and with the basemaps for it startup and low load tuning is a breeze.I would still suggest professional help with wot tuning and map tweaking. when figuring the price differance most people on this thread don't factor in the tuning costs such as dyno or drivibility tuning with someone with experiance for the stinger. I like the stinger controls and ease of use on the computer. The program was easy to figure out and use. I was able to tweak the basemap to be driveable without a problem because of the programing. The datalogging is a plus as well.

I think that comparing the maftpro to the stinger is like compareing apples to oranges. Both have many great features, support, and value for the product. It really depends on your needs and mods and your ability to tune.

hth
Aaron

 

[FullNelson]

stand alone (stinger) v. Maft-Pro (Piggyback)?

A standalone, no matter how easy is still not a simple ordeal. See the AEM in that fiasco when someone that thinks they know what they are doing, does not. Then you get the "HELP, CANNOT START" or, "Does any one have a base maps for xxxx".

Thats a valid point. I believe if you take your time installing the unit and checking all connections, and the right map there shouldnt be any problems getting it to start and run, atleast to the point to get it to a tuner and someone with a wideband.

On the note of tuning, how hard are they to tune for tuners? are all standalones different in the manner of how they adjust different aspects? Or if say i live close to some jow schmoe who i know for a fact is a wizzard at tuning motec on subarus, would he be someone to trust, or run away from?

 

[starscream5000]

Standalone>piggyback for most power and control, anyday of the week.