Steering Spacers installed

[NashMan]

well i got them installed last night after hours

my thought on them pretty good there is over 10 if nto more degress diff witch is alot i have longer extetion but i plan not to use it since it may just be tad much but if you plan just to run the spacer by them self's you should be close to 8 to 9 dagress

but i added to 2 washers X2 to the spacer works great and still have plenty of thread but used really stroung thrad lock not your norm thread lock

i ahve nice pic's of the install of befor and after you can see wiht your own eyes the diff on how muhc more the tire sticks out on full lock


so i will post thous up later tonight wiht full wright up on how ot install and clean your threads befor lock tight cause if you don't ant going to do shit

 

[MK3.0dudeman]

nice.

well how did the car feel?

also did you get the tip spacers?

the tip spacers is what I plan on getting

so all you did was use the spacers and had some washers like the same size?

 

[Wiisass]

Awesome Nash. I'm glad to hear someone finally installed them. The car is going to feel totally different for drifting now with decent steering angle. I can't wait to see the pics.

And for everyone else, like Nash said, use good loctite and clean the threads. You can no longer use the locking plate that comes with the stock tie rods, so loctite is necessary. And make sure that everything is tight when you put them back together.

Tim

 

[MK3.0dudeman]

Awesome Nash. I'm glad to hear someone finally installed them. The car is going to feel totally different for drifting now with decent steering angle. I can't wait to see the pics.

And for everyone else, like Nash said, use good loctite and clean the threads. You can no longer use the locking plate that comes with the stock tie rods, so loctite is necessary. And make sure that everything is tight when you put them back together.

Tim

thanks for the 411 Tim and I'm sorry I never called you back to get that set for myself.I sware I will be getting a set by next week the latest.

you still have a few pairs left right:eek3: My cars coming out next week and the week after I should have mine in

 

[Wiisass]

Brian, it's alright. I still have a bunch of these left.

Tim

 

[kotu100]

where can i get some of these?

 

[Wiisass]

From me. Check the thread in the group buy section on here. It's the "Who wants more steering angle?" thread.

Tim

 

[NashMan]

sorry of the lack of pic's i have bean busy

 

[NashMan]

well i got my aliment the way i want and wow i love it now nice and slightly aggrsive

-1.5 rear and -1 front caster to the front 8.1 toes are stright never really mess wiht them at all no need to just make the car twiching at higher speeds great for auto x thou and low speed

this is on full weight supra on bisteins and trd springs same as eibach springs

now as for the spcaers after full aliment has bean done are nice but if you keep the wheel chranked wheel streeing this is bad for the rack. going any bigger whould be bad choice i added 2 washers to mine thou on each side

even still with just the sapcer i whoudl not sit on full lock for long periods of time

over all it nice this to have on the car but caster had to be just about maxxed to get rid of the skid steer on low thottle reson being is the wheel are alot more tlited then befor this can be fixed from more caster reson why mien si just about maxxed out cureing the skid affect you get

over all i like the spacers ad plan to keep them and not to use the longer one's i ahe but remmber caster is your friend


now on to the pic's

 

[Wiisass]

Sounds good Nash.

I also would not recommend going any bigger than my spacers. The rack is almost out of travel at that point and it could create issues.

Also make sure your power steering fluid is always full and bled. And, although not necessary, a power steering cooler is a good idea. The power steering in my brother's car would overheat after a 10 minute drifting session.

Nash, be careful with too much caster. Caster has a lot of effects. More caster will increase steering force which will increase steering feel and feedback at the wheel. It will also allow the car to pivot more around the front wheel making drifting a little less work. It also adds negative camber to the outside wheel in a turn, but for drifting the conventional outside wheel is the inside wheel, so more caster for drifting can take away too much camber on the loaded wheel. This isn't really an issue unless you're going real sideways, real fast, but it can lead to accelerated tire wear on the edges when drifting. The trick is to get to the point where you're seeing most of the benefits of caster and less of the negative effects.

Tim

 

[NashMan]

remmber wiht the sapcer's on full the lock the tilt of the wheel is in cressed alot so there is no down side when on full lock you avage car does not have as much tilt as supra does if you look at lest say a 240 lock to supra lock you will see the diff


plus caster will in cress when the car is lowered as well

 

[NashMan]

pics of in stall at my shop


wright of install


frist use hammer to hit the side of the nuckle the shock will cause the tie rod end to pop out or tire rod puller to get tie rods off do not use (fucken pickle fork)

after that use star screw driver to remove the boost clamps then use you friger to to remove bunny ear clamp slide booth back you will notice that one side is were the theeth are and the other is piston side

no use pipe wrench and tiwst off the tire rod end the the old stop race will just bend up the tabs

once off use brake clean and clean the threads weight to dry or use compressed air do not remove the greas in the knuckle in less you plan to replace it all so do the rack thread's agian don't clean off the rack there suppost to be greash on one side

add red lock tight slip spacer over install let cure

do teh revues of install and use new cotter pins


all so some times it good to do you ball joint a the same time


cheers

 

[NashMan]

pics

 

[Wiisass]

You really don't even have to remove the tie rod from the spindle. It can stay attached and you can still install the spacers, you just have to do all the cleaning and putting the loctite on under the car.

As for caster, if you're looking at the outside wheel in a normal turn, the wheel will camber in (gain negative camber) with steering angle due to caster. But it will also lose negative camber because of the kingpin angle. But there is a net gain of more negative camber as you turn the wheel on the outside wheel. But the inside wheel is the opposite and will lose negative camber with steering angle. And the inside wheel is the loaded wheel when drifting. Because of the suspension geometry, you can't totally account for this, but you just have to be careful about adding caster due to this effect.

And thanks again for posting the pics.

Tim

 

[Poodles]

Caster is auto-countersteer for drifting and most of the drift cars use a LOT of caster...

Personally, I'd just want these for U-turns...

 

[NashMan]

strock caster as in stright on stock is at my ride hight is is rough ly 7.9 ish mine's at 8.1 8.3 being max


remmber what stated above when cars are lowered the caster get afected alot

so even if you were to be caster queen i don't think you will really mess to much stuff up