SSautochrome
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Crap, Turbos are glued together, here is a few links to other forums talking about their product with pics. http://92civic.tripod.com/ http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread/t-100318.html
why does everyone think they are glued together i have seen them in person one one a sr20 and one on a 5mgte both running moderate boost but they are fine they look nothing like that piece of shit on the civic site that has been circulating. now am i saying run huge power no probly not but im sure for what most people are using it for it is fine. and by the way im 99% thats not a OBX manifold. OBX is actually good quality and obx is not on the manifold any where. and they label all their manifolds.
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cruzinbill said:
I hate this subject.
I don't see why people are in an uproar over them using glue in the first place (if of course, SS is selling turbos that use glue). There are epoxies that are stronger than welds, some stronger than concrete.
For instance, I'm a construction designer. If someone on the jobsite forgets to put a piece of rebar in place before they pour concrete, you have to drill and epoxy a piece into the concrete. By design, the rebar has to be embeded a minimum of 28" into the concrete for it adhere to the concrete properly. Conversely, if you epoxy a piece in, it only has to be embeded 5" to achieve the same yield.
So is SSA using glue on a turbo? So what if they are, it's probably stronger than another alternative.
Did I mention that I hate this subject? Noxide should be shot for digging it up from the graveyard.
lol yea im with you rakksan, this is the MKIII community and companies really dont make alot of things for ours cars. It either trying out a SSA mani or selling your soul for a sound performance or greddy one. Quite you bitching and if sorry everyone isnt friggin rich like the MKIV community. If people want to try out rich alternatives let them. BTW i have bought the SSA turbo kit for our cars you can catch out the thread int build-up. I like everythng so far. DAMIT!!
you are intierly too harsh. I was going to buy that kit today untill i saw that they have poor quality. I have also contacted members on ebay that have bought that kit and they all agree that they were ripped off. Any yes I am fully aware the powers of some epoxys but that epoxy was obviously not that strong and there was no working parts on that certain turbo, it was more of a mock up turbo. I also tried severl times to contact ssautochrome about the product and why is the listing saying 1993-1998 7mge Supra but they would never reply.
They are rude people and just want money. Rakkasan I believe you should be shot for being so rude on the subject, before you there was no uncalled for gestures. From several of you posts, I am ashamed to even be on the same forum as you because of your incredible negative attituded toward anything.
Good day sir.
They are rude people and just want money. Rakkasan I believe you should be shot for being so rude on the subject, before you there was no uncalled for gestures. From several of you posts, I am ashamed to even be on the same forum as you because of your incredible negative attituded toward anything.
Good day sir.
noxide said:
Dude, I suggest that you read what I wrote again. Notice the little smiley face after my comment? Me using it is an attempt express a joking manor. I can be a real dick, so just let me know if you want to see that side of me. I'm "intierly" done with you.
can we just lock these damn ss posts forever lol its a lose lose battle here talking about it. if some one wants it get it if they dont then dont. thats all there is to it. LOL cause this post is just crazy. and everyone has a story to tell about it
The early 304 thinwall headers were a problem the newer 321 3mm thick header don't seem to have the same issues.
The Epoxied Comp covers are tack welded in 5 or so places and don't rely on the epoxy to hold them together, the failed one that the pics floating around more than likely was used on a 4 cylinder and possibly failed through vibration.
This isn't as big an issue with a 6 cylinder motor.
The Epoxied Comp covers are tack welded in 5 or so places and don't rely on the epoxy to hold them together, the failed one that the pics floating around more than likely was used on a 4 cylinder and possibly failed through vibration.
This isn't as big an issue with a 6 cylinder motor.
noxide said:
hey you are going to lose this battle look at the date this was started. They make good stuff and proven now. This kit is money well spent if you know what you are doing.
Yeah...Some epoxy glue and other glues are stronger than welds.
That is why in some super cars they use epoxy glue on their chasis instead of welding them. More surface are to bond and therefore more holding power.
I thought this was common knowledge..that there are some types of glue that are stronger than welds.
Cheers,
Roy
That is why in some super cars they use epoxy glue on their chasis instead of welding them. More surface are to bond and therefore more holding power.
I thought this was common knowledge..that there are some types of glue that are stronger than welds.
Cheers,
Roy
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After all the debate, reviews, and even x-ray testing, I finally bought one from SS Autochrome.
Guess what?
The Waste Gate holes are totally not restrictive.
The manifold will clear the stock oil filter housing, and will work on mine no problem since I don't have that anymore.
The welds are not completely hidious, and appear to be fine. (No need to re-weld this manifold as I'd feared.)
The porting done is not the best, but it's also 100% better than the stock cast manifold ever was.
So, as a very picky owner, and builder of cars, I think for the money this MANIFOLD ROCKS. It's a great deal. Even at 3X the price it's a great deal. (I paid less than 100.00 for this to my door. Try and even buy the materials for this price, you can't.)
My manifold will be braced with two welded on braces, and two bolt on braces using stock locations similar to what Toyota designed. One bolt on from the head to the turbo, and one from the engine mount bracket to the under side of the turbo/manifold. The two welded on braces will be similar to the SSAC 2JZGTE manifold. (Bar that is welded from the turbo flange to the head flange.)
So, here's the question. Anyone using their waste gates? And are you having any issues. (I've read about the crappy quality, or the people who are having no problems.... so which is it? Good bad and ugly, tell us all.)
Guess what?
The Waste Gate holes are totally not restrictive.
The manifold will clear the stock oil filter housing, and will work on mine no problem since I don't have that anymore.
The welds are not completely hidious, and appear to be fine. (No need to re-weld this manifold as I'd feared.)
The porting done is not the best, but it's also 100% better than the stock cast manifold ever was.
So, as a very picky owner, and builder of cars, I think for the money this MANIFOLD ROCKS. It's a great deal. Even at 3X the price it's a great deal. (I paid less than 100.00 for this to my door. Try and even buy the materials for this price, you can't.)
My manifold will be braced with two welded on braces, and two bolt on braces using stock locations similar to what Toyota designed. One bolt on from the head to the turbo, and one from the engine mount bracket to the under side of the turbo/manifold. The two welded on braces will be similar to the SSAC 2JZGTE manifold. (Bar that is welded from the turbo flange to the head flange.)
So, here's the question. Anyone using their waste gates? And are you having any issues. (I've read about the crappy quality, or the people who are having no problems.... so which is it? Good bad and ugly, tell us all.)
I sold mine to SuprraGrl and am using the internal gate on the 3540.
Not sure how far off her car is from running.
Not sure how far off her car is from running.
I know this is all about the manifolds, but has anybody had luck with the intercoolers? $250 as compared to $1000+ for a custom made spearco is a pretty big difference in my book. I know there was a thread about the flow rates that seemed good, but can anybody quote on the pressure drop and cooling efficiency?
wingman said:
at silv orange car (tony) is runing one he is 820rwhp 7m mk3 so i have a reason to believe it works.
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Yep, I've seen a few of the FMIC's, both the 3" thick, and 4" ones, and they were very nice, and very low cost. (If I did not already have the MAXX setup, I'd go with an Ebay 4" thick one right now.)
Just make sure you buy bar and plate construction. Best type there is, and for this price, you can't go wrong.
Be prepared to cut and trim things between the bumper and the condensor. I relocated my coolant tank by the battery, and had to customize the center brace that runs from the header panel to the core support at the hood latch. (If you do not run this brace, good luck on getting your hood to latch right.)
This is also not a bad idea if your thinking of going with a FFIM later.
Just make sure you buy bar and plate construction. Best type there is, and for this price, you can't go wrong.
Be prepared to cut and trim things between the bumper and the condensor. I relocated my coolant tank by the battery, and had to customize the center brace that runs from the header panel to the core support at the hood latch. (If you do not run this brace, good luck on getting your hood to latch right.)
This is also not a bad idea if your thinking of going with a FFIM later.
I know this thread been dead for a while and all, but I have a ssautochrome turbo manifold and was curious how you guy's braced it up also, did you have to modify the waste gate tubes and/or flange to fit in a mk3?
I added two braces from the turbo flange to the head flange and I rotated the wastegate flange 90 degrees to fit my dump tube. I also welded a spacer onto the T4 flange to raise my turbo and to slightly turn it away from the engine as my compressor housing would not fit.
I had/have the 1st gen of the manifold so it would not clear a stock oil filter mount but that was ok since I had a sandwhich mount anyways.
I had/have the 1st gen of the manifold so it would not clear a stock oil filter mount but that was ok since I had a sandwhich mount anyways.