Spacer between Flywheel and Block

[24vtoy]

Hi guys

im having a issue where im not able to activate the clutch on my newly fitted R154 gearbox.

There is clutch but just wont go properly into any gears, a friend running a similar setup said i need to remove the spacers between the Flywheel and Block.

Soo before i go about removing the gearbox, ID like to know if it is advisable to remove theese spacers ? they are very thing so im not sure if it will make a difference ?

also will the flywheel knock onto the block with the spacer removed ?

thanks

 

[supraguy@aol]

What spacer?

I wonder if you have the clutch disc possibly in backwards.

 

[IndigoMKII]

will the car change gears with the engine stopped?

 

[24vtoy]

hey supraguy@aol

this is what the spacer looks like

Indigo mk3 yeah i get gears with the engine switched off

 

[Zumtizzle]

clutch disc backwards?

 

[24vtoy]

nope its not that

 

[Suprapowaz!(2)]

I swore up and down mine wasn't backwards as I installed it myself. It turned out it was. Drop trans and check it.

Besides I don't see how spacers behind the flywheel would affect clutch engagement because the clutch disc & pressure plate is mounted onto the FW itself. Go ahead and remove the spacers... while you're at it flip the clutch disc to the correct side before you put the trans back up.

 

[Zumtizzle]

Put the car on jack stands, with the motor off, put the car into 1st, push clutch in, and have a friend turn the rear tires, if you hear a grinding noise or metal to metal it's backwards,


then verify by pulling the pressure plate away from the flywheel and looking into the access cover and look for the raised side on the flywheel, it must face towards the back.


don't ask how i know this.

 

[Suprapowaz!(2)]

then verify by pulling the pressure plate away from the flywheel and looking into the access cover and look for the raised side on the flywheel, it must face towards the back.


don't ask how i know this.

Yeah, didn't think about that. You don't have to drop the trans to check for it. Duh.

 

[IJ.]

The "Spacers" are for the Auto Driveplate.... :nono:

 

[Poodles]

The "Spacers" are for the Auto Driveplate.... :nono:

This x1,000,000

 

[24vtoy]

Put the car on jack stands, with the motor off, put the car into 1st, push clutch in, and have a friend turn the rear tires, if you hear a grinding noise or metal to metal it's backwards,


then verify by pulling the pressure plate away from the flywheel and looking into the access cover and look for the raised side on the flywheel, it must face towards the back.

Did that buddy, i jacked whole car off ground, put into 1st gear and started it, rear wheels turn fine with no noises. But with car switched off i cant put the car into gear. i have adjusted pedals, even lenghthed the rod on the slave. no such luck


don't ask how i know this.

 

[24vtoy]

Did that buddy, i jacked whole car off ground, put into 1st gear and started it, rear wheels turn fine with no noises. But with car switched off i cant put the car into gear. i have adjusted pedals, even lenghthed the rod on the slave. no such luck

IJ are you seriously sure ?? Shit so why does my car even have thoose spacers. i have seen them there. just didnt want to take them off

 

[IndigoMKII]

Have you even looked at the TSRM when you were putting everything together or did you completely ignore this beautiful book filled with all the knowledge you'll ever need that you clearly need a few doses of?

Here you go, this will clearly show you this is for an automatic transmission. http://www.cygnusx1.net/Supra/Library/EPC/291210/catalog.aspx?F=3502&P=1

Also when installing your clutch disc itself, there's a labeled side as to where it goes.

 

[24vtoy]

hey bud

yes i do have the tsrm and i installed the flywheel side facing the flywheel, so thats why im saying that the clutch disc is the right side.

my question was on can the spacers be removed without having any implications

 

[Dan_Gyoba]

And since you've now been told that the spacers are for the automatic, and NOT for the standard transmission, you should have your answer.

If the clutch is not properly engaging, it's possible (probable?) that the flywheel was not machined with the proper step down.

 

[IndigoMKII]

hey bud

yes i do have the tsrm and i installed the flywheel side facing the flywheel, so thats why im saying that the clutch disc is the right side.

my question was on can the spacers be removed without having any implications

Okay I believe that I didn't spell it out enough for you.

Manual transmissions do not use a spacer. Repeat NOT. If you used the TSRM you would know.

On a side note, have you properly bled the air from the system when you reinstalled the transmission? Since you also installed the spacers, is your clutch release hub still in usable condition? Along with all the spring clips and washers? Did you install the clutch fork in properly?

Here, http://store.driftmotion.com/static/i-clutchreleasehubkitr154.php

 

[24vtoy]

ok thanks bud, i will remove the spacers this weekend.

i've converted mine to use the releaser bearing style with clutch fork (like how the w58 gearboxes are) i also have a custom made solid plate clutch and double diagphram pressure plate installed so it abit different from how tsrm explains it.

if you could pm me your email address il send u a small video through the inspection key point on how everything is moving, maybe would be better to explain it that way ?

 

[24vtoy]

http://youtu.be/-Vzn6--3wPo

above is the video

is the releaser pushing the pressure plate enough ?

sorry for the poor quality vid

 

[supraguy@aol]

Ok, 18 posts later, you decide to mention that you have a completely custom clutch system that's been designed to work as a push-type??

lmao.