some guy kicked my fender!

[d4nkman]

To the OP, where did this happen? I noticed you are in Illinois, too.

it happened on highway 97 halfway between springfield and petersburg. i wasnt even tailing him, i was rolling up on him as he was slowing down. then he sped up and so did i. it wasnt 30 sec later he tried to brake check me. i flipped him off because i drive a supra, parts are hard to come by.

 

[d4nkman]

I do have a brand new taurus arms judge, only fired 12 rounds through her, a .140 magnum slug would have ruined his day but it would have ruined the rest of my life. I willing to accept a dented fender, dude obviously has issues. I can replace that fender.

 

[supraduper]

supracentral, i had no idea who you were... and from how it sounds.. i appreciate what you do for this site.. as its a great tool to anyone with a supra...

i apologize for getting off topic.. and continuing to veer off

i just interpreted what you said... that the situation could be easily resolved with a gunshot.. yes, it would have resolved that situation.. but dont forget the explaining to the cops that you shot a guy b/c he got out of his car, albeit that maybe his intention was to harm you... but a guy with 2 fists is no match for a guy with 1 gun... and any officer, i believe, would feel the same way...

now if he said "im going to kill you", or actually caused bodily harm to you.. then you can act in self defense...

i dont own a gun.. but i am in favor for gun rights..

but if i did have a gun and someone approached me in a threatening manner.. i likely, would not shoot to kill. i would shoot the fuckers knees out.. that way he would never forget the guy he fucked with.. i think losing your knees would be a good enough lesson... as you dont know what he's dealing with on a personal level... maybe he found out his wife of 20 years cheated on him with their youngest son... lol... sorry for the graphic nature of my analogy.. but if he was normally a nice guy... hes now dead, and many people are sad because of it..

maybe im too sympathetic, or empathetic.. but its my view

we all have one, and i dont understand why someone would make a comment like that... on many levels, including but not limited to... leaving a paper trail... as you have on here...

just for instance you get into a situation where you claim self defense... and theres a lot of grey area... a REALLY good lawyer might see what you posted... and may work against your defense...

granted this is a super lawyer... which likely the perp could not afford.. at which time, this point is mute...


sorry for the headaches if i caused any

 

[supraduper]

I can replace that fender.

well said

 

[GrimJack]

Personally, I carry a camera with me all the time. Last time I ran into a bad case of road rage, I simply pulled it out of the glove box and snapped a picture of him, then one of his car, and smiled.

He shut up and got back into his camaro right fucking quick.

I've long since stopped giving people the finger on the road. I find a smile and a wave seems to aggravate them a LOT more. Anyone who decided they really want to follow me gets the camera treatment, or occasionally I let 'em follow me as I cruise to the local police station. Takes a REALLY dumb asshole to attack someone in the parking lot for the local police.

 

[lewis15498]

Personally, I carry a camera with me all the time. Last time I ran into a bad case of road rage, I simply pulled it out of the glove box and snapped a picture of him, then one of his car, and smiled.

He shut up and got back into his camaro right fucking quick.

I've long since stopped giving people the finger on the road. I find a smile and a wave seems to aggravate them a LOT more. Anyone who decided they really want to follow me gets the camera treatment, or occasionally I let 'em follow me as I cruise to the local police station. Takes a REALLY dumb asshole to attack someone in the parking lot for the local police.

Also a good strategy, however ive been in situations where people act super crazy and try to run you off the road and what not. Couple years ago, I'm riding in my buddys car at like 1am. my other friend is asleep in the back seat. This guy comes up behinds us and passes us. No big deal. then he brings it down to like 30, and then starts giving us brakejobs for no apparent reason. He locks the brakes and my friend just drives around him. 1mi later were goin like 45-50ish and he comes up and tries to pass us again, my buddy puts it to the floor, but being were in a ford escort, all 88hp(actually factory rating) are getting us nowhere fast. gets up next to us and cuts the wheel at us. my buddy jacks the brakes, but he tags the fender hard with the quarter pannel spinning the lightweight escort. fishtailed like 5x and almost clobbered the guard rail, and then when he cut it the other way i was sure we were gonna get wrapped around a phone pole. Somehow he managed to bring it back and we drove off. naturally the police did nothing to find this asshole. even though we had a description of the car and 5 of the 6 plate numbers. we got lucky, had we hit something and gotten stuck there who knows what would have happened. a person crazy enough to damage their own car over nothing is not going to heed to logic. best to be prepared.

 

[Poodles]

but if i did have a gun and someone approached me in a threatening manner.. i likely, would not shoot to kill. i would shoot the fuckers knees out.. that way he would never forget the guy he fucked with.. i think losing your knees would be a good enough lesson...

Then he sues you and you're bankrupt for the rest of your life.

I don't care what he's going through, it's not an excuse to harm someone or their property.

 

[foreverpsycotic]

i just interpreted what you said... that the situation could be easily resolved with a gunshot.. yes, it would have resolved that situation.. but dont forget the explaining to the cops that you shot a guy b/c he got out of his car, albeit that maybe his intention was to harm you... but a guy with 2 fists is no match for a guy with 1 gun... and any officer, i believe, would feel the same way...

now if he said "im going to kill you", or actually caused bodily harm to you.. then you can act in self defense...

i dont own a gun.. but i am in favor for gun rights..

but if i did have a gun and someone approached me in a threatening manner.. i likely, would not shoot to kill. i would shoot the fuckers knees out.. that way he would never forget the guy he fucked with.. i think losing your knees would be a good enough lesson... as you dont know what he's dealing with on a personal level... maybe he found out his wife of 20 years cheated on him with their youngest son... lol... sorry for the graphic nature of my analogy.. but if he was normally a nice guy... hes now dead, and many people are sad because of it..

just for instance you get into a situation where you claim self defense... and theres a lot of grey area... a REALLY good lawyer might see what you posted... and may work against your defense...

granted this is a super lawyer... which likely the perp could not afford.. at which time, this point is mute...


sorry for the headaches if i caused any

Do not point a gun at someone if your intent is not to kill them.

And if he was shot due to his threatening the op, well, he probably will not be alive to tell his side of the story. There will be one side of the story, yours. Easier for self defence.

 

[kotu100]

something similar happened to me, i was driving down the road, a 40mph zone and this dumbshit in front of me decided to do 20mph for a mile or so, so i got up on his ass. i guess he didnt like that cuz he slammed on the brakes and almost made me hit him. he started getting out of his POS cherokee, so i brought it up to 4k and went around him.... sideways.

couple weeks later im hanging out at the local carwash eating my mc'donalds. guess who decdes to come in and start threatening me and giving me shit? Mr. i-can't-drive-for-shit. started asking me what my problem was, saying i had to show off in my "piece of shit sports car". for the most part i just ignored him, he almost got out of his jeep to start shit, but i guess he came to his senses and left.

was gonna call the cops for harassment and give them his plate number, but they wouldnt have done shit anyway.
since then the same dude has driven by me a couple times and yelling shit out the window.



this goes to prove, even if you dont retaliate, some dumbasses will be dumbasses.

 

[CTsupra]

Ok, I have a scholarly question.

Had the OP got out of his car to shoot and kill the person making the threats along with saying nothing to the police and letting himself get arrested and through the system, I would think the DA at his trial would at least make the argument that he was in a place of saftey (car) that would allow him to flee and avoid the situation completely. I really think a person in that situation would have a hard time convincing a jury otherwise after what the DA will throw at them.

Am I wrong?

 

[Kai]

So load it with blanks?

 

[Doward]

... so i got up on his ass. i guess he didnt like that cuz he slammed on the brakes and almost made me hit him

He was in front of you. Explain to me how he would have FORCED you to hit him?

In Florida, if you rear end someone, IT DOES NOT MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCES - you are at fault. At first I thought that was BS, but as time has gone on, I've come to see it's actually pretty damn intelligent.

YOU are responsible for your driving. No one else. If you rear end someone, you weren't paying proper attention for the driving conditions at hand, period.

CTSupra, in Florida, your vehicle is treated just like your home - if someone approaches your vehicle in a threatening manner, you are perfectly justified in using whatever means necessary to prevent harm to yourself.

 

[northwestsupra]

You guys are all bozos.

1. Situation Arises.

2. Obtain Flair Gun or Normal Hand Gun.

3. Shoot Warning Shot in the air, then aim towards him and ask him to leave.

4. Other Guy Shits His Pant, gets back in his shit box, and drives away.

5. ??????

6. Profit.

i got the answer to 5. flare hits dry grass and starts a wildfire 6. get the fuck in your car and RUNNNNN!! then drive by that son of a bitch who kicks in your car

i've had a wrench thrown at my friends honda while i was laughing at him trying to tell me he could drift, we were speeding around the neighborhood we were in and came flying around the corner and guy comes running out to the middle of the road, my friend started to slow down, i looked at him and i told him wait till your close then just go, but by the time i had said that the guy already was raising his hand and i saw something in his hand but couldnt make it out. so i just said fuck it go around his ass, he threw the wrench like a little pussy and missed us by a long shot and we drove off lol'ing, but if that was a gun not a wrench we would have been dead dead dead

 

[Supracentral]

Had the OP got out of his car to shoot and kill the person making the threats along with saying nothing to the police and letting himself get arrested and through the system, I would think the DA at his trial would at least make the argument that he was in a place of saftey (car) that would allow him to flee and avoid the situation completely. I really think a person in that situation would have a hard time convincing a jury otherwise after what the DA will throw at them.

Honestly playing hypotheticals like that is a fools errand. A lot depends on the situation, the local laws, etc.

It also depends on where you live, in Kalifornia or the People's Socialist Republic of Illinois or the New York Police Protection District, you probably wouldn't have a (legal) gun to begin with.

With all that said, many states have a Castle Doctrine or "stand your ground laws". It extends effectively to your vehicle and place of business in most jurisdictions. Believe it or not, Kalifornia has one too, but it's so weak it's practically useless. In some jurisdictions it extends EVERYWHERE. For example, where I live, I have no duty to retreat whatsoever:

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/fulltext/sb396.htm

Simply put, if you live in a liberal cesspool, you right to self defense isn't fully recognized (or recognized at all in a few places) anyway, and you're likely fucked no matter what you do. (If you live in one of these places, you really should pack your shit and go elsewhere...)

In places where the state still recognizes the inalienable rights of it's citizens to defend themselves, you're probably in pretty good shape.

(I'm not a lawyer, this isn't legal advice, standard disclaimers apply, yadda, yadda, yadda.)

The moral of the story - don't use force against other people unless you want retaliation in kind. If you slide a car sideways across a highway (reckless endangerment) jump out of the car an threaten people (assault), there's a good chance someone will take you seriously. In my home state it will get you killed.

Presented with the original case; "Person slides a car sideways on a highway to block the road and gets out and starts threatening me" - in that case, I'd certainly feel threatened. You're not dealing with the actions of a sane individual. Someone who acts like that is unhinged. I wouldn't let him within 10 feet of me, and the law supports me in that.

Never fire a weapon into the air, you have no idea where it's going to land...

Ayup. If you've threatened me to the point where I've drawn a weapon, you get no warnings. I'm certainly not going to endanger innocent lives to warn your guilty ass...

Some asshole like that would back down the second he sees a gun pointed at him. If he didn't, well, he'd be dead, and part of the darwin awards...

And provided he backpedaled the second he saw the gun, he might live through it. Shooting someone who is running away is murder, I won't argue that.

i just interpreted what you said... that the situation could be easily resolved with a gunshot.. yes, it would have resolved that situation.. but dont forget the explaining to the cops that you shot a guy b/c he got out of his car, albeit that maybe his intention was to harm you... but a guy with 2 fists is no match for a guy with 1 gun... and any officer, i believe, would feel the same way...

Read my replies above re: Castle Doctrine. The laws in my state (or any state I'm wiling to live in) don't support your interpretation. I won't live in a state that doesn't recognize my right to self defense. It's one of the primary reasons I left New York, and I will never return there.

but if i did have a gun and someone approached me in a threatening manner.. i likely, would not shoot to kill. i would shoot the fuckers knees out.. that way he would never forget the guy he fucked with.. i think losing your knees would be a good enough lesson... as you dont know what he's dealing with on a personal level... maybe he found out his wife of 20 years cheated on him with their youngest son... lol... sorry for the graphic nature of my analogy.. but if he was normally a nice guy... hes now dead, and many people are sad because of it..

You wouldn't consider him a nice guy after the lawsuits. You've got a very naive view of this.

(I'm not even going to talk about how damned near impossible it would be to hit a kneecap on a moving target... Watch less television, it's rotting your brain. )

maybe im too sympathetic, or empathetic.. but its my view

You're entitled to it. However I'd advise you to never own a gun if you can't shoot to kill.

Do not point a gun at someone if your intent is not to kill them.

Exactly. Anyone "brandishing" a gun is asking to get shot.

So load it with blanks?

Assinine Kai. You pull your gun loaded with blanks, he puts two hollow points in your head. His defense? You pulled a gun on him.

An unloaded gun (or a gun that isn't being used properly) is an invitation for disaster.

 

[supraman7mgte]

Could you at least identify what the other driver gestured at you?
He could have been saying;America's number 1!, or some shit like that.
the simple fact that you flipped him off for no reason other than brake checking you kinda puts you at fault. society is full of assholes,from those who high kick fenders,to those who stand on soap boxes and scream they are right all the time.
you have to pick your battles

 

[aye mate]

So load it with blanks?

Just the first round. The rest, live baby.

 

[tlo86]

wow i cant believe that..
hrm makes me think of self defense in CO.

 

[Fuzz420]

Must not be turbo, because i would have just cut over to the next lane downshifted and bounced. First time i got the "brake check" i would have kept my distance until i can apply the finishing move, and the whole situation would have been avoided.

I had a situation with some kids a few years back when i was n/a. If i had the turbo then, same thing situation could have been avoided. Be safe out there.

 

[d4nkman]

yeah illinois pretty much sucks. however we are allowed to carry firearms in our cars...unloaded and cased mind you, but the fact that i have no back seat and my judge case slid into the back of my seat as i stopped would have made it easy to defend myself had the need arised. but like i said he was an asshole, yeah i flipped him off so the fuck what? had it been in a parking lot i would have went hand to hand with him and i would have won (thank you military training) but in the middle of a highway with heavy traffic fighting is a bad idea.
i have since started carrying my drag camera clipped to my rearview mirror (kinda like a police car cam) so if this ever happens again he won't be getting away.
also let me point out i did slide around him, tires blazing. i called the local cops but they didn't find him. if he lives in my town i will find him sooner or later, it's just a matter of time.

oh and the ironic bit is that i used to drive a neon just like his...but that was before my balls dropped and then i got a supra.

 

[IJ.]

So load it with blanks?

May as well point a finger and yell "BANG".....