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Bri7man

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So I just finished replacing my valve stem seals today in hopes of stopping the smoke on start up.

Unfortunately that wasn't the problem because it still smokes.
It smokes until it reaches OP temp then stops.

I think its my Turbo because there is always a pool of about 1-3 drops on the inlet of the turbo.

What do you think?

Details:
Fresh engine rebuild with 180 Compression across all cyl's, 70psi oil pressure cold start, 15 OP temp idle.
 

Bri7man

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Any1?

I've been reading through the threads of my same exact issue and every1 points to valve stem seals.

The smoke is very white, dissipates fairly easily and doesn't smell much like anything.
 

Bri7man

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Bleh... well I'm starting to think maybe I didn't slip a stem seal on all the way? I doubt it..... but I always second guess myself on these little things until it kills me.

If so I'm thinking leak down test to see where it is and then go from there.
 

Devin LeBlanc

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White smoke sounds like BHG? Oil will burn blue/light grayish white.. But antifreeze smokes white.. Glycol.. Just check to see if there is any shaft play in the turbo, there will always be a little side to side play but should be no in and out play.. I don't smoke at all and have a little drop of oil in the intake of the turbo too... Its normal because the PCV goes into the intake..
 

Bri7man

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I only use distilled water, I doubt it's bhg, my compression is good and I just finished my rebuild, lots of power. Although, my head is shitty and softer than butter, I had to helicoil about 4 ex studs on re assembly.

Next project is to find a cressida head and swap the supra cams in cause I don't trust 7m heads anymore..
 

whitemike

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I should have just asked, how are you sure it's oil and not coolant? Are you checking your levels? Are you losing oil?

A bit of oil on the turbo inlet is OK due to the PCV routing that way. I'm also curious about the turbo shaft play.

Also, removing the turbo could help diagnose if it's the turbo or if the burning is in the combustion chamber. The burning may leave a "residue" or whatever you want to call it. If you find this white hazing on the inside of the manifold - it's obviously pre-turbo. If not, and only in the downpipe.. you get the hint.

When I ran thru the seals on my Turbonetics it left the inside of the DP and backhousing completely white.

Mike
 

Nick M

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Oil can certainly be a white smoke. So can unburned fuel, depending on the engine. With seals, there is usualy a puff of smoke at start up, or a huge cloud depending on the volume leaking. Then it quickly vanishes, well before operating temp.

Your rings might not be seated.

Any DTC's?
 

metaphysico

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Pull the plugs out and see if the pistons are wet when the car is hot. If its cold and you pull the pistons after running for a short time fuel may make the pistons wet but if the engine is warm the fuel will evaporate fast. If any of the cyls are wet then you probably have a problem with the valve seals.

Now just to say what just happened to me, #6 cyl was wet with oil so I put valve seals in it and it started smoking a lot worse, they were cometic valve seals green viton but they did not fit tight at all when going over the valves. After replacing them the smoke was 10 times worse, and it was white, but that was with only water in the system no coolant, and for a short time with not even water in it, I drained the water out of the block and started it a few times and still smoke. Now on leakdown test I got readings of 7% when it was cold and 2% when warm.

Anyways after replacing the seals with the cometic ones all of the cyls were wet with oil. I did not buy them from cometic so they may have been knock offs but were green viton so dont know. So since all of the cyls had oil in them I put a new set of seals in them, this time felpro brown viton. They were a lot tighter fitting and you could see swelling of the viton and spring as they were installed unlike the first set I put on. After doing the seals it smoked for a little bit from the oil in the exhaust, but for the next three days it was fine.

So with no smoke for a few days I decided to do some 0-120mph runs then drove for 35 miles to a friends house. When I got to his house we went out and did some more 0-80 mph runs and it started smoking again. I drove it home and it got even worse. Checking the cyls they were all dry, so I pulled of the exhaust elbow and it was covered in oil. Moved the shaft on the turbo and there was a lot of play probably a quarter inch of side to side play. Took the turbo off and the exhaust mani was dry so I pulled out the turbo and took it apart. The bearings dug into the housing and the shaft and there were cracks in the wg flapper. The new turbo should be here today and I can get it fixed so my wife can finally drive her car. Now I just have to get a quart of oil out of the exhaust, I guess its a good thing I hollowed out the cats.

Hope that gives you some ideas. As I said enough oil burning will burn white, as will coolant, as will water, as will fuel. And on startup you can get smoke from a lot of different points. I would start by pulling the plugs and checking to see if there wet, and do a leak down test if you can get hold of a leak down tester.
 

bioskyline

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mine does this, its just oil burning from the pvc system. a oil catch can from Megan racing or similar item should help cure it.

i dont think the turbo is the issue, last time my turbo went, every time i boosted, i left a smoke screen that would make James bond proud :D
 

super.secret.supra.club

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hvyman;1639102 said:
If your pcv system is making your car smoke that bad then you have a problem.

in conjunction with this, open your oil cap while the car is running. is there smoke coming out?

another thing is 70PSI on a cold start is a lot. did you do anything to the pump?
 

bioskyline

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hvyman;1639102 said:
If your pcv system is making your car smoke that bad then you have a problem.

yes i know, 190,000kms on the original motor, it will be getting a re build soon once i have the cash to do it all. hopefully before i hit the 200,000 mark
 

hvyman

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Oil pressure wouldnt matter as its a good idea to bump up the pressure a tad. And that is also cold with thick oil.
 

super.secret.supra.club

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a tad??? 40 psi on a cold start is ok but 70 psi???? is anyone else runing 70 psi one there low pressure high volume system? what weight oil are you using?

plus you can start popping things out at that pressure .
 

Bri7man

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Turns out I have much bigger problems, Head is annealed to crap, everything I screw it it comes out with material and I have a crazy exhaust mani leak getting worse as the days go on.

Junkyard diving this weekend for a cressida head, decking it, valve stem seals on that and all the good stuff I've done before.