Should we give Spaniard a 2nd chance?

Should Spaniard be allowed back?


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honestabe

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As some of you are or aren't aware, Spaniard (aka Jonathon) has made things right will all that he owes money to. He doesn't want selling priveleges and just wants to be a member of the community again. Several of us (me, suprace, 2yodugJZ, blindkiller85, fonz87) all have put in our vote to allow him to come back. Everybody goes through hard times, let's give Jonathon a 2nd chance. I've personally spoken to him in depth and he is truely sorry for all the harm he has caused and has taken it to heart. Let's give him the 2nd chance he deserves.

Adam
 

fonz87

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Yes we Can! Hahah sry i had to do it!

jonathon has given a lot to this community in the past and i m sure that if he's given another chance, he will keep giving more to this community to those who need help.
I think he should be given another chance.
 

SupraMario

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I don't know him and never dealt with him, so I will just watch, I do hope others do the same and not add their opinion from just what they have seen here on SM.
 

2yoduhJZ

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honestabe;1226557 said:
As some of you are or aren't aware, Spaniard (aka Jonathon) has made things right will all that he owes money to. He doesn't want selling priveleges and just wants to be a member of the community again. Several of us (me, suprace, 2yodugJZ, blindkiller85, fonz87) all have put in our vote to allow him to come back. Everybody goes through hard times, let's give Jonathon a 2nd chance. I've personally spoken to him in depth and he is truely sorry for all the harm he has caused and has taken it to heart. Let's give him the 2nd chance he deserves.

Adam

Thank you for poll honestabe. I just informed Jonathan about the poll and he is very happy to hear about it. Truly. I hope the admins can find him to be worthy of coming back on the forums.

Doward;1226565 said:
I vote yes, on the condition no selling for a minimum 1 year.

While Jonathan has made it very clear that he does not seek his membership back for selling and just wants to be a part of the community. I absolutely agree with the 1 year no-selling policy even if I am his friend. I think of it as 1 - year probation membership confinement.
 

Supracentral

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Guys, while I do appreciate your sentiment, there is a lot more to this than a public opinion poll. This guy has put the staff through hell around here, and the staff will decide if we're willing to give him a second chance. We're the ones who have to clean up his messes, even without For Sale rights, there is plenty more he has done to cause us grief.

I understand where you are coming from, and we'll take it under advisement, but this is not how things like permanent bans are resolved. This is currently being discussed by the moderators in the mod forum.
 

ForcedTorque

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I had read his posts before meeting him, and met him at CHI2K7. I found him to appear much more mature in person than his online personality would suggest. He seemed to be a very mature, and somewhat more knowledgeable guy than I thought he would be. I have been shocked to see the problems get posted that I have. I believe the guy I met was the one who made sure everyone was eventually taken care of in one way or another. As a member of the community, I'd say let him come back without selling privileges either for a predetermined time or longer. I do, however, respect the opinions of the staff here. As a general member, I have no idea how much trouble they have had to deal with.
 

suprahero

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D34DC311;1226590 said:
I don't know him and never dealt with him, so I will just watch, I do hope others do the same and not add their opinion from just what they have seen here on SM.



Mario, unfortunately, that's all most of us have to go by. I don't know him personally, and I don't ever plan on meeting him. I do hate a thief though, and I hate the thought of a lot of members on here trusting him with their hard earned money and him bailing out. On the other hand, he has made it up to them, and they seem O.K. with that. He can't however make up for the lost time their cars were down waiting on him to ship out parts or the violated feelings they all went through knowing they got cheated.

I think people deserve a second chance, but I could never vote to give him any selling privileges on here again. If he wants to be a forum member and just post his opinions on our topics or start his on, I have nothing against that. We'll see how it goes in the moderators poll.
 

2yoduhJZ

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Supracentral;1226600 said:
Guys, while I do appreciate your sentiment, there is a lot more to this than a public opinion poll. This guy has put the staff through hell around here, and the staff will decide if we're willing to give him a second chance. We're the ones who have to clean up his messes, even without For Sale rights, there is plenty more he has done to cause us grief.

I understand where you are coming from, and we'll take it under advisement, but this is not how things like permanent bans are resolved. This is currently being discussed by the moderators in the mod forum.

This is not suppose to offend the admins or anyone or to tell them what to do, but I have to see it from the standpoint of a friend of Jonathan's plus a person that has known him for four years now.

While Jonathan has put the staff through a bunch, he cant right those wrongs, but only right the ones that are bearing on people financially. Thus his effort and positive execution of repaying people back. He has made it clear, if anyone has seen any more problems from Spaniard as far as money is concerned to please come forward and he will take care of it immediately.

There have been many people that have came and gone, and never came back to fix things. While he is out a lot of money fixing things around the forums, yes, people are also out of there time and cant have it back. Its noble what he has done regardless of the outcome.

If permanent bans are not suppose to resolved this way, what other way is it suppose to be done? He stayed off the forums, asked me and honestabe to funnel his comments and contact information via them. Paid people back and apologized relentlessly to every member. I'm wondering what would have been proper protocol if this is not the right way. It only seems natural that a poll would be made on the issue, not only that but the poll was made by a member that was a victim of Spaniard's wrong doing, and besides the members are the ones who should be able to voice their opinion regardless.

I am in no way putting down the admins, and I'm glad to hear that you guys are discussing the issue. All in all, Jonathan is happy that the issue is even being discussed and has made it clear to me and to everyone else. He just wants to come back and right his wrongs but further supporting the forums in the best way he can, by using his great knowledge on Supra's. In any case, I have been informing him on his sympathetic support on the forums and he sends everyone his thanks. He has said time and time again, he respects any administrative decision made because the decision made is concluded for the mass benefit of the forums and that is what matter most here to him. He was permanently banned, but are people not in the same trouble in real life? People are incarcerated from society cause they pose a threat to the mass, I think its safe to say that he does not pose a threat to the community in my honest opinion.
 

suprahero

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2yoduhJZ;1226631 said:
This is not suppose to offend the admins or anyone or to tell them what to do, but I have to see it from the standpoint of a friend of Jonathan's plus a person that has known him for four years now.

While Jonathan has put the staff through a bunch, he cant right those wrongs, but only right the ones that are bearing on people financially. Thus his effort and positive execution of repaying people back. He has made it clear, if anyone has seen any more problems from Spaniard as far as money is concerned to please come forward and he will take care of it immediately.

There have been many people that have came and gone, and never came back to fix things. While he is out a lot of money fixing things around the forums, yes, people are also out of there time and cant have it back. Its noble what he has done regardless of the outcome.

Mr. Yoda, again, I don't know Johnathan and he must be an alright guy to have so many people on here representing him, but I must say, he isnt' out any money. He only paid back what he was given. It's also not "noble" to do what was expected of you in the beginning. Maybe he'll be brought back, I don't know, but I don't want someone to be praised for doing what he should have done to begin with.
 

2yoduhJZ

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suprahero;1226643 said:
Mr. Yoda, again, I don't know Johnathan and he must be an alright guy to have so many people on here representing him, but I must say, he isnt' out any money. He only paid back what he was given. It's also not "noble" to do what was expected of you in the beginning. Maybe he'll be brought back, I don't know, but I don't want someone to be praised for doing what he should have done to begin with.

He is out a lot of money because he paid back two people that were not on his paypal payments received list, which is the only way he handled his business. Never cash or a money order. Those two people could have easy have been scammers getting money out of Spaniard and now that it's mentioned. Those two members have not commented on the two threads related to Spaniard. While they reserve that right, it only adds to the suspicion that they were just lying. But these two people were paid out of good faith and paid them back in full for the supposed amount. I know this cause I have helped him get his information from the forums. But you would not have known that because I didnt state it, so I see where you coming from.

Yes, he was expected to do it the beginning, but damn...they guy came back and made things right. Plenty of people have been scammed on SM banned and never heard from again and everyone out of their hard earned money. He came back and did things right. That does not make it right what he did, but it sure as hell lets people know that the guy is not a freaking loser and that he cares.
 

suprahero

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I don't think he's a loser. I think he did the right thing. I just don't feel he should be praised for it. I'm glad he did what he did, and I am willing to give him another chance. Ultimately it isn't the decission of one person, but the decissions of all of the moderators. I think he should be given another chance, but without the right to ever sell on here again. That's my opinion and we'll just have to see how it turns out. He's your friend so you're a bit defensive. I don't know him and all I have are the facts that have been posted about him to go on.
 

Supracentral

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2yoduhJZ;1226631 said:
If permanent bans are not suppose to resolved this way, what other way is it suppose to be done?

There is a Contact Us link at the bottom of every single page of this forum. You do not have to be logged in to see it, and even if you try to login on a banned account it is available.

Your continued arguing with us on his behalf isn't helping...
 

2yoduhJZ

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suprahero;1226656 said:
I don't think he's a loser. I think he did the right thing. I just don't feel he should be praised for it. I'm glad he did what he did, and I am willing to give him another chance. Ultimately it isn't the decission of one person, but the decissions of all of the moderators. I think he should be given another chance, but without the right to ever sell on here again. That's my opinion and we'll just have to see how it turns out. He's your friend so you're a bit defensive. I don't know him and all I have are the facts that have been posted about him to go on.

I understand where you coming from, but I dont think he is being praised. What he did was flat out wrong, no one is saying other wise, not even me. He is my friend, yes. Sorry about getting defensive. He has never done me wrong, so it's tough for me to be un-biased, that I can agree on.

suprahero, since your on a opinion about the matter, I'll give everyone a fact about Spaniard to take into consideration. He has a perfect iTrader rating, and had one for a very long time. It was not just 3 trades either but several. I think he just made some bad decisions. Its not like he was a young member like me that has be on here for a short period of time.
 

2yoduhJZ

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Supracentral;1226668 said:
There is a Contact Us link at the bottom of every single page of this forum. You do not have to be logged in to see it, and even if you try to login on a banned account it is available.

Your continued arguing with us on his behalf isn't helping...

Okay. Its not arguing, but I will be quiet now for the sake of you saying so as admin.
 

Doward

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Yeah, no point in arguing about it.

It's completely up to the admins. I'm with Suprahero - I don't know Jonathan from a hole in the wall. I only know what I've seen/read on here. The fact that he's trying to make it up to everyone leads me to think he's worth a second chance, on a probationary period.

SM is a privilege, not a right ;)
 

SupraMario

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suprahero;1226626 said:
Mario, unfortunately, that's all most of us have to go by. I don't know him personally, and I don't ever plan on meeting him. I do hate a thief though, and I hate the thought of a lot of members on here trusting him with their hard earned money and him bailing out. On the other hand, he has made it up to them, and they seem O.K. with that. He can't however make up for the lost time their cars were down waiting on him to ship out parts or the violated feelings they all went through knowing they got cheated.

I think people deserve a second chance, but I could never vote to give him any selling privileges on here again. If he wants to be a forum member and just post his opinions on our topics or start his on, I have nothing against that. We'll see how it goes in the moderators poll.

I guess I should have been more specific, I was referring to the people who have been just sitting on the sidelines and have never dealt with him online or in person. Just don't like people who watch and read to put in an opinion from just post.
 
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