Saturn vs. 1J...

[Figit090]

how about you race, and just find out who will win without crunching numbers and not accounting for human error or drivetrain energy losses?

plus...if he's running a SC on such a small engine i give it a 50/50 chance of exploding by the time he's WOT in 4th. (j/k)

whats the stock HP BTW? and i'm actually curious about both cars. BHP or WHP, i dont care, as long as its consistent for both instances.

 

[Dirgle]

Stock 1.9Liter DOHC is 124bhp and the SOHC is 82bhp and wither or not the engine explodes, I guarantee it will sound like it as those engines had no balancing shafts so as the engine revs it makes a horrible racket.

 

[annoyingrob]

Since were bench racing your number seem a little off. The average 1JZ makes 290rwhp at 14psi of boost unless aggressively tuned.

I made 315whp@10psi with cams :dunno:

 

[Dirgle]

That says a lot about cams right there. The 1JZ produces 280PS(283bhp) at 10.5 PSI, so factoring in an optimistic 18% drivetrain loss you are looking at 232whp in stock form. So if you got 315whp with cams that is very good.

 

[Figit090]

stock psi at 10.5?

soo...a simple cam swap can add 80 horses? dang... so does this have any negative effects on gas mileage or something? i mean...why not just give the engine those cams in the first place.....

 

[OneJSupra]

Putting the power to the pavement with the 1JZ should be no probs .

i say kick his ass and smoke him and tell him don't insult me again :biglaugh:

 

[OneJoeZee]

That says a lot about cams right there. The 1JZ produces 280PS(283bhp) at 10.5 PSI, so factoring in an optimistic 18% drivetrain loss you are looking at 232whp in stock form. So if you got 315whp with cams that is very good.

No way. A stock 1J will not put down 232 unless it's been seriously neglected and has problems.

 

[Dirgle]

http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5409&highlight=stock+1jz+dyno

A couple a dyno graphs in there, and with an opened up exhaust there in the 250 ~ 260 Range So I doesn't sound to far off. If the one guy was putting down 250whp with a gutted cat and 3" catback 232~240whp (only 10-18hp off) doesn't sound too far off of the mark for a stock exhaust/intake system.

 

[OneJoeZee]

That car dyno'd low at 250hp, IMO. A healthy 1J should be doing more than that. We've had cars down here put down at least 20hp more than that with the same simple mods.

 

[OneJSupra]

That car dyno'd low at 250hp, IMO. A healthy 1J should be doing more than that. We've had cars down here put down at least 20hp more than that with the same simple mods.

agreed...

 

[Dirgle]

ok.

I'm glad we all have healthy 1JZ's

 

[Wills7MGTE]

anyone whose driven a 4 banger knows even turboed or SCed they still drive like they have lag

 

[masterchief819]

a 2100lb saturn!??!?! GTFO. What model? the Sky you MIGHT be able to get down to 2100... but shit, 2100lbs if fucking light.

I really have no idea about saturn models. But after quick google, I'm almost certain it's an s-series. ~95-96 I guess. Here's a pic of the car:

He took me for a ride in it (totally stripped interior and hard plastic seats -_-) and when he got on it in a straightaway, it was more than I expected from a saturn. But I actually had to ask him if it was full throttle lol. He said yes so tbh, I'm not worried about it..

 

[CampbellsChunkySoupra]

well.. im not in the right to call a sleeper "not-worthy." id be scared shitless of a 1200 lb saturn with a supercharger. well, im rocking a oil leaking boost leaking poopra fighting a potential bhg. u'll probably win but be careful. light + some power = pretty damn quick.

i know of several cars like that here in des moines. good luck?

 

[tte]

anyone whose driven a 4 banger knows even turboed or SCed they still drive like they have lag

Hmmmmm I had a friend in New Zealand who had a Nissan Pulsar GtiR. His car
had no lag and on 10 psi he put out about 310 hp. It was extremely fast.

I had another friend with a Subaru Legacy who knew friends who built rally cars. They modded his subaru and his car pulled like fuck. No lag. I know his car was over 320 hp. It would leave pricey V8s behind like they were standing still. Plus he reduced the weight of the car too.

So not all 4 bangers still drive they have like lag.


Cheers,
Roy

 

[Figit090]

that car looks nutty...does he plan to put those body panels back in? it looks kinda...naked. or like a POS grinning hackjob. but it is just a pic.

but yeah...that thing looks kinda mean with all that turbo equiptment sticking out....

 

[Evilempire1.3JZ-GTE]

Saturn Sky is heavy GTFO and is only 260hp
Exterior Dimensions & Weight
Curb Weight MT2990Curb Weight AT3024

A 1JZ supra weighs 3400 & haves 350hp with quick bolt ons.

Sky is only a two seater supra can seat four

I almost bought the Sky because it was based on the opel speedster but the opel speedster weighs 1764 lbs WHY the HELL GM added 1200lbs of crap to the speedster and minimal power is beyond me if they kept the car weight down or made improvments to make it lighter with 260hp then i would have bought the car.

They yuppied it up just like what they did to the 2000 + MR2

 

[annoyingrob]

but gasoline direct ignition is boost's best friend. I hate to say it, but go ecotec.

 

[Dirgle]

but gasoline direct ignition is boost's best friend. I hate to say it, but go ecotec.

Yes it is, and the twin scroll turbo that they use on there is a thing of beauty.

 

[masterchief819]

that car looks nutty...does he plan to put those body panels back in? it looks kinda...naked. or like a POS grinning hackjob. but it is just a pic.

but yeah...that thing looks kinda mean with all that turbo equiptment sticking out....

He had to hack it all off to fit everything in there. I think they took off the whole metal bumper support to fit the ic.