Republican or Democrat
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Damnit, now you're going to get me into the speed limit thing. Look up the stats on the Autobahn versus the US highway system. No speed limits on portions of their system, and a lower death rate because they enforce the laws that actually make things safe and save lives... Something like .82 deaths per 100,000 miles traveled on US Interstates versus .71 on the Autobahn.
DATA people, data. Not feelings!
DATA people, data. Not feelings!
Adjuster
Supramania Contributor
I'm hoping that sensible people across the USA will look around them, notice that the unemployment rate is as low as it's ever been, our economy is growing nicely, we have not been attacked by Radical Islam in this country since 911 and our kids are getting a better education in school while seniors are getting the drug benefits they need.
What is wrong America? (That's the problem, the only thing the Democrats can latch onto is the War in Iraq, and the "lies that we were told" yet these same lying politicians are the ones who read the same reports and voted to go to war with Iraq and remove the WMD etc. )
Most politicians are hypocrites, and lately the Democrates have just been more transparent about it. (I did not have sex with that woman... oh, let's re-define what sex is... oh, well I did not have sex with her... Oh, well I will not dignify that question with a response... oh well, who can blame, me? What would you do if you were married to Hillary...?)
Just wanted to point out real lies v/s imaginary lies there for those of you that have stopped thinking for yourselves, and let the media think for you.
What we need is an independant conservative party. We are pro hydrocarbon, pro life, pro growth and pro business. We are pro freedom and pro USA. We don't like PC bullshit and we don't pander to special intrests like AARP or NACCP.
Notice I don't have the Christian collition on this platform? I don't think there is room for them. And no, being Pro life does not make me anti-freedom. I think abortion is a medical proceedure, not a political decision. It should not be the government's choice, but it should not be free anymore than any other medical proceedure is free. If you want one, you pay for it. And if you can live with your choice, that's your choice. It's not mine, and that's fine. (Just don't ask me to pay for the abortion because you can't use birth control correctly.)
Just my independant conservative position.
Oh, and as far as the war with Islam is concerned, I think we need more troops, tanks and planes. Kill them all and we are done. (Radical islamics that is.)
What is wrong America? (That's the problem, the only thing the Democrats can latch onto is the War in Iraq, and the "lies that we were told" yet these same lying politicians are the ones who read the same reports and voted to go to war with Iraq and remove the WMD etc. )
Most politicians are hypocrites, and lately the Democrates have just been more transparent about it. (I did not have sex with that woman... oh, let's re-define what sex is... oh, well I did not have sex with her... Oh, well I will not dignify that question with a response... oh well, who can blame, me? What would you do if you were married to Hillary...?)
Just wanted to point out real lies v/s imaginary lies there for those of you that have stopped thinking for yourselves, and let the media think for you.
What we need is an independant conservative party. We are pro hydrocarbon, pro life, pro growth and pro business. We are pro freedom and pro USA. We don't like PC bullshit and we don't pander to special intrests like AARP or NACCP.
Notice I don't have the Christian collition on this platform? I don't think there is room for them. And no, being Pro life does not make me anti-freedom. I think abortion is a medical proceedure, not a political decision. It should not be the government's choice, but it should not be free anymore than any other medical proceedure is free. If you want one, you pay for it. And if you can live with your choice, that's your choice. It's not mine, and that's fine. (Just don't ask me to pay for the abortion because you can't use birth control correctly.)
Just my independant conservative position.
Oh, and as far as the war with Islam is concerned, I think we need more troops, tanks and planes. Kill them all and we are done. (Radical islamics that is.)
IM a republican through and through.
i wont list reasons why..or my opinions..itll just drive the d-crats to start arguing and im not in the want to keep coming back to a political thread.
i wont list reasons why..or my opinions..itll just drive the d-crats to start arguing and im not in the want to keep coming back to a political thread.
bonus12 said:
An independant means they arent stupid enough to fall for the party line. They have a variety of ideals. As such the close minded, socialy and economicaly retarded democrats most likely wont pick up a single vote from an independant.
Why are people even bringing up Iraq now? Up here north of the 49th, we're in Kandahar and the libbies want to cut and run just like the democrats want the US to do in Iraq. Quite pathetic, really.
Fact of the matter is, whether it was done at the time it was or 10 years from now...It was going to have to be done sooner or later.
America is always put in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation, most notably right now with Bush in power. If these problems were ignored, people would be outraged...If they are addressed, people still are outraged.
Take a step back and think what would Kerry have done? Fuck-all, at best. Who knows what would have happened after 9/11? Bottom line, as Adjuster said...it's been safe since 9/11. Three major terrorist attacks have been prevented - London, Toronto, Michigan...There's an old saying, the best defense is a good offense - Unfortunately, it seems that it's a necesarry evil to take the battle to their home turf.
If the democrats get in, it will be a dark day - That's for sure. If you think the extremists only hate Bush, then you're truly blinded...If they could, they would kill each and every American, Canadian, Brit and so forth that wasn't Muslim - Last thing I would want, is some hippy dyke like hillary clinton trying to run the country when a threat like that exists.
Fact of the matter is, whether it was done at the time it was or 10 years from now...It was going to have to be done sooner or later.
America is always put in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation, most notably right now with Bush in power. If these problems were ignored, people would be outraged...If they are addressed, people still are outraged.
Take a step back and think what would Kerry have done? Fuck-all, at best. Who knows what would have happened after 9/11? Bottom line, as Adjuster said...it's been safe since 9/11. Three major terrorist attacks have been prevented - London, Toronto, Michigan...There's an old saying, the best defense is a good offense - Unfortunately, it seems that it's a necesarry evil to take the battle to their home turf.
If the democrats get in, it will be a dark day - That's for sure. If you think the extremists only hate Bush, then you're truly blinded...If they could, they would kill each and every American, Canadian, Brit and so forth that wasn't Muslim - Last thing I would want, is some hippy dyke like hillary clinton trying to run the country when a threat like that exists.
there may have been no terrorist attack since 9/11, but there are MANY arguments as to why not. one, for example, is that antoher attack simply isnt necessarry. America still is fazed from 9/11. we are still scared, etc.
i do not credit bush for the absence of an attck since 9.11.
i do not credit bush for the absence of an attck since 9.11.
bonus12 said:
All you're doing is speculating. NOTHING more.
There have been three attempted attacks that would have affected the US. These were all prevented as a result of security measures imposed post-9/11.
Do you think osama and his boys over there in the middle east decided "that's enough"? No. Get it through your head...If you were over there right now, they'd kill you because you're American. 100% fact. America isn't "fazed" - I went through almost 30 states recently and I can tell you it's far from that...Relying on the media to form opinions about a countrys' solitude is quite sad.
Oh and before someone states that I'm from Canada...Canada has received direct threats because of our involvement in Afghanistan - Although I'm sure the majority of people on here are in the dark about the Toronto terrorist attacks as well....
Adjuster
Supramania Contributor
Comments like "I don't credit Bush for no terror attacks" since 911 and the endless prattle about wire taps and listening to phone calls of suspected groups of people here in the USA all crack me up.
Who do you credit then for the lack of effective terrorist attacks on the USA in the past 6 years?
Do you give a big thumbs up to Hillary, Nancy or even Al Gore on this score? Is it their vigilance that has brought about this state of security and prosperity here in the North American world?
The statement that the terrorists don't care one whit who is in power is totally true. They do however love to watch us fight and bicker amongst ourselves, and will do everything they can to provide ammo for the extreme left to use to pull away from the war in Iraq and Afganistan. (And let them and their Islamic government buddies in Iran take over Iraq.)
I think we should ask ourselves... "What would Jimmy Carter do?" and then make sure we do exactly the opposite of that. (Sound advice since he's a utter fool when it comes to anything besides building homes for the poor.)
Just my .02 cents worth.
Who do you credit then for the lack of effective terrorist attacks on the USA in the past 6 years?
Do you give a big thumbs up to Hillary, Nancy or even Al Gore on this score? Is it their vigilance that has brought about this state of security and prosperity here in the North American world?
The statement that the terrorists don't care one whit who is in power is totally true. They do however love to watch us fight and bicker amongst ourselves, and will do everything they can to provide ammo for the extreme left to use to pull away from the war in Iraq and Afganistan. (And let them and their Islamic government buddies in Iran take over Iraq.)
I think we should ask ourselves... "What would Jimmy Carter do?" and then make sure we do exactly the opposite of that. (Sound advice since he's a utter fool when it comes to anything besides building homes for the poor.)
Just my .02 cents worth.
JustAnotherVictim
Supramania Contributor
Adjuster said:
Well if you're going to use that kind of reasoning, the during the 5 years before Bush took office 95-00 the Clinton administration was the reason there were a lack of effective terrorist attacks.
Do you support the way Clinton ran US security now?
JustAnotherVictim said:
March 8, 1995, Karachi, Pakistan. Two unidentified gunmen armed with AK-47 assault rifles opened fire on a U.S. Consulate van in Karachi, killing two U.S. diplomats, Jacqueline Keys Van Landingham and Gary C. Durell, and wounding a third, Mark McCloy.
November 9, 1995, Algiers, Algeria. Islamic extremists set fire to a warehouse belonging to the U.S. Embassy, threatened the Algerian security guard because he was working for the United States, and demanded to know whether any U.S. citizens were present. The Armed Islamic Group (GIA) probably carried out the attacks. The group had threatened to strike other foreign targets and especially U.S. objectives in Algeria, and the attack's style was similar to past GIA operations against foreign facilities.
June 25, 1996, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. A fuel truck carrying a bomb exploded outside the U.S. military's Khobar Towers housing facility in Dhahran, killing 19 U.S. military personnel and wounding 515 persons, including 240 U.S. personnel.
January 2, 1997, Major cities worldwide, United States. A series of letter bombs with Alexandria, Egypt postmarks were discovered at Al-Hayat newspaper bureaus in Washington, DC, New York, London, and Riyadh. Three similar devices, also postmarked in Egypt, were found at a prison facility in Leavenworth, Kansas. Bomb disposal experts defused all the devices, but one detonated at the Al-Hayat newspaper office in London, injuring two security guards and causing minor damage.
February 23, 1997, New York, United States. A Palestinian gunman opened fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State building in New York, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from the United States, Argentina, Switzerland and France before turning the gun on himself. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claimed this was a punishment attack against the "enemies of Palestine."
November 12, 1997, Karachi, Pakistan. Two unidentified gunmen shot to death four U.S. auditors from Union Texas Petroleum and their Pakistani driver as they drove away from the Sheraton Hotel in Karachi. Two groups claimed responsibility -- the Islamic Inqilabi Council, or Islamic Revolutionary Council and the Aimal Secret Committee, also known as the Aimal Khufia Action Committee.
June 21, 1998, Beirut, Lebanon. Two hand-grenades were thrown at the U.S. Embassy in Beirut. No casualties were reported.Three rocket-propelled grenades attached to a crude detonator exploded near the U.S. Embassy compound in Beirut, causing no casualties and little damage.
August 7, 1998, Nairobi, Kenya. A car bomb exploded at the rear entrance of the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi. The attack killed a total of 292, including 12 U.S. citizens, and injured over 5,000, among them six Americans. The perpetrators belonged to al-Qaida, Usama bin Ladin's network.
August 7, 1998, Dar es Sala'am, Tanzania. A car bomb exploded outside the U.S. Embassy in Dar es Sala'am, killing 11 and injuring 86. Osama bin Laden's organization al-Qaida claimed responsibility for the attack. Two suspects were arrested.
November 21, 1998, Teheran, Iran. Members of Fedayeen Islam, shouting anti-American slogans and wielding stones and iron rods, attacked a group of American tourists in Tehran. Some of the tourists suffered minor injuries from flying glass.
December 28, 1998, Mawdiyah, Yemen. Sixteen tourists--12 Britons, two Americans and two Australians--were taken hostage in the largest kidnapping in Yemen's recent history. The tourists were seized in the Abyan province (some 175 miles south of Sanaa the capital). One Briton and a Yemeni guide escaped, while the rest were taken to city of Mawdiyah. Four hostages were killed when troops closed in and two were wounded, including an American woman. The kidnappers, members of the Islamic Army of Aden-Abyan, an offshoot of Al-Jihad, had demanded the release from jail of their leader, Saleh Haidara al-Atwi.
October 31, 1999, Nantucket, Massachusetts, United States. EgyptAir Flight 990 crashed off the U.S. coast killing all 217 people on board, including 100 Americans. Although it is not precisely clear what happened, evidence indicated that an Egyptian pilot crashed the plane for personal or political reasons.
November 4, 1999, Athens, Greece. A group protesting President Clinton's visit to Greece hid a gas bomb at an American car dealership in Athens. Two cars were destroyed and several others damaged. Anti-State Action claimed responsibility for the attack, but the November 17 group was also suspected.
October 8, 2000, Nablus, West Bank. The bullet-ridden body of Rabbi Hillel Lieberman, a U.S. citizen from Brooklyn living in the Jewish settlement of Elon Moreh, was found at the entrance to the West Bank town of Nablus. Lieberman had headed there after hearing that Palestinians had desecrated the religious site, Joseph's Tomb. No organization claimed responsibility for the murder.
October 12, 2000, Aden Harbor, Yemen. A suicide squad rammed the warship the U.S.S. Cole with an explosives-laden boat killing 13 American sailors and injuring 33.
I'd say Clinton did a bang up job!
i can not take part in polls in this forum anymore, or have political views
i got fewer neg reps when i spammed godspeed's raffle thread
i got fewer neg reps when i spammed godspeed's raffle thread