Rant: Im over this spoon-fed tobacco ignorance crap!
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JustAnotherVictim
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Well, I personally wouldn't mind dying, but I surely would mind the years of illness before the dyingtheWeezL said:
Same with seatbelts... it's not that I buckle up because I'm afraid of dying, but because I'm afraid of becoming quadriplegic or comatose or something.
As for smoking, I also can't stand cigarette smoke (cigar smoke is even worse IMO). My mother used to smoke all the time when I was a child and I developed asthma during that time... not sure if there's a connection. But everytime I have to inhale or even smell cigarette smoke, I'm starting to cough quite badly.
From what I remember from the biology lessons at school, cigarette smoke not only (apparently) causes cancer but also kills the small hairs in your respiratory tracts which usually transport contaminants out of the lungs, not sure what the correct English term is. So even if you don't get cancer from second hand smoke, you can still suffer from other consequences.
encomiast said:Well, I personally wouldn't mind dying, but I surely would mind the years of illness before the dying
Same with seatbelts... it's not that I buckle up because I'm afraid of dying, but because I'm afraid of becoming quadriplegic or comatose or something.
As for smoking, I also can't stand cigarette smoke (cigar smoke is even worse IMO). My mother used to smoke all the time when I was a child and I developed asthma during that time... not sure if there's a connection. But everytime I have to inhale or even smell cigarette smoke, I'm starting to cough quite badly.
From what I remember from the biology lessons at school, cigarette smoke not only (apparently) causes cancer but also kills the small hairs in your respiratory tracts which usually transport contaminants out of the lungs, not sure what the correct English term is. So even if you don't get cancer from second hand smoke, you can still suffer from other consequences.
blah blah BLAH....red meat causes colon cancer, grabbin some boob causes breast cancer...blah blah blah
I don't understand why anyone would want to pay large amounts of money to take years off their life.
OneJoeZee said:
What you've never had an addiction? If no, consider yourself lucky. If yes, you should already know the answer.
I know the answer but I still don't understand it. My father smoked. He also quit after many years and two heart attacks.
Why even start?
Why even start?
Adjuster
Supramania Contributor
Smoking is like guns to the civil wars around the globe.
The more you smoke, the faster you die. The more guns you have, the faster you die.
I say give them a pack of smokes and an AK!
Oh, here in the more enlightened and educated parts of the world, anyone who smokes, or starts smoking is an idiot, and should be sent over to help out with the civil wars....
I suppose you could say that driving is leathal, and pull all kinds of data to support this, so we should ban cars, or send them to civil war zones...
The fact is that inhaling nasty smoke is akin to drinking booze, and directly linked to having sex with hot bitches with aids. All of them will eventually kill you, but look at all the fun your having on the way to the grave?
The more you smoke, the faster you die. The more guns you have, the faster you die.
I say give them a pack of smokes and an AK!
Oh, here in the more enlightened and educated parts of the world, anyone who smokes, or starts smoking is an idiot, and should be sent over to help out with the civil wars....
I suppose you could say that driving is leathal, and pull all kinds of data to support this, so we should ban cars, or send them to civil war zones...
The fact is that inhaling nasty smoke is akin to drinking booze, and directly linked to having sex with hot bitches with aids. All of them will eventually kill you, but look at all the fun your having on the way to the grave?
OneJoeZee said:
The reasons can be many, for me it was a learned behavioral responce...my mom has smoked for 40+ years. Ive quit a few times, and will quit again. But I recently quit drinking (8 months sober now) and quitting one addiction at a time is enough.
But this thread isnt really about the addiction or even the act of smoking that was in question. It was about the media and the anti-smoking campain that treats smokers like lepers, and intelligent people like idiots. If you already smoke you know the dangers and either accept them or quit. If you dont already smoke you know the dangers and either accept them or ignore them. If you're too stupid to know they are bad for you, your DNA shouldnt be in the gene pool. I know the risks, and choose to accept them. Its no different from driving too fast, eating lots of red meat, living under powerlines, having unprotected sex, using a hair dryer in the shower or any number of things that can get you killed...Lets just put warnings on everything...because we all know human beings are to stupid to decide for themselves!
Adjuster said:
I take exception to that...Im neither an idiot nor an extremist.
guns dont kill people, people kill people. Cigarettes dont kill people...setting them on fire and inhaling the smoke kills people...BAN ALL LIGHTERS! :biglaugh:
theWeezL said:
Yeah. The adverts are rather harsh. But what are you going to do? I think television in general treats intelligent people like idiots. Spend your time more wisely; work on your Supra! Or read, listen to the radio, sleep, do ANYTHING other than watching the telly.
theWeezL said:
Cigarette smoking is so addictive for most people, it is rather different than the things you mention, sex and fast driving notwithstanding :icon_bigg
It is interesting you compare smoking to fast/dangerous driving, which is easily identified as an immediate danger to the driver as well as occupants, other drivers, passengers and pedestrians--plus, it's defined as an illegal activity. Cigarette smoking is a much more insidious danger--and it's also legal for those of appropriate age. It should be compared to sitting in a large closed off garage while running your car's engine--at first, no problems, but slowly it gets harder to breathe, you get tired/sleepy, and eventually you die. Of course, this is not a perfect analogy either, but it more accurately portrays the manner in which smoking kills.
theWeezL said:
Unfortunately, the problem seems to stem from a lack of responsibility on behalf of the people here. The Modern American Dream of a multi-million dollar lawsuit has liability concerns shooting sky high for companies; the warning labels are there as a "we warned you" for these sue-happy idiots. Once companies saw how McDonalds got pwnt by the lame-ass coffee spiller and then the tobacco industry ended up doling out hundreds of millions of dollars in a settlement to smokers that developed illnesses, they kinda went apeshit with the warnings. Of course, coffee is hot. Duh, cigarettes are bad for you. LIVE with it. I can never understand why people think they deserve millions of dollars for slipping and falling in a Wal-Mart or whatever.
People have really just lost their minds.
I don't want to take your right to smoke away, publicly or privately. I also think it's stupid for a non-smoker to think they're better than a smoker just because they don't smoke. But, I also think it's unfair for a smoker to hold it against every non-smoker he/she sees if a controversial anti-smoking advert runs on the tv--I don't smoke, but I didn't write the advert. Plus, many of the people I care about are smokers, and except for not enjoying the secondhand smoke experience, I really don't think much of it-- plus my mom's side of the family has smoked since before I can remember; so it's always been a part of my life.
And, I'm curious--why exactly do you argue so vehemently for a cause if you don't necessarily believe in it? You're not a trial lawyer are you?
I didnt say I didnt believe in it, I said I "MAY" not believe everything I say in a rant. My point was I being extreme in my language for a reason. I could just as easily said what I had to say in a nice calm rational manner, but I find it much more amusing to take it to an extreme when discussing things like this on a public forum. Why? 'cause people immediately react to it...and that is more important sometimes than the message. I lsaid it already. I like to get a rise out of people. There is nothing more useless to me in life than people who dont use their own brains. I cant stand people who just spew forth stuff that they have been told is true without learning the facts for themselves, and then learning to "think" about what those facts mean to them. There is entirely too much "lemming" behavior in the world, and I try to change that one discussion at a time. If I made anyone here think about their position on the subject, and take the time to rationalize and argue for that position....I have done my job.
Im no, I'm not a trial lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night! :wiggle:
Im no, I'm not a trial lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night! :wiggle:
Dude, I'm not even a smoker and those "The Truth" TV ads piss me off. I hate being around smokers, but whenever I am near some that are smoking, it's usually my own fault or choice. If someone was smoking "where they weren't supposed to", I would probably raise a stink about it, but they have their rights - I have mine.
What's funny about the kids in those commercials is they all look like the stereotypical Mac/Ipod kids you see on their TV commercials. I can see them sipping their half-caff while listening to U-2 right now.
What's funny about the kids in those commercials is they all look like the stereotypical Mac/Ipod kids you see on their TV commercials. I can see them sipping their half-caff while listening to U-2 right now.
Reign_Maker said:
I do drink, though...
Just not when I am stuck under military rules of "no drinking here".
drunk_medic said:
See that kills me..."I dont smoke and I hate being around smokers...but I'll get stupid drunk and not even care if it bothers you..."
well ok you didnt say that but Im sure some people feel that way. Well, I got news, I quit drinking and the smell of people metabolizing it makes me ill to my stomach. But pepple dont seem to care about that...only shoving us smokers deeper down in a hole...ROFL
Ok, Im getting started again...hehe...bleh, must drop the topic
theWeezL said:
There's a difference - I don't get drunk in public. I do it at home, and responsibly!
I only read the first 2 pages of this thread. First let me say that I smoke cigarettes and to some other posts I use to smoke pot in High School. I'm a considerate person about smoking I do not blow smoke in anyone's face or general direction intentionaly. I do not plan to smoke much longer. Like others have said it's a personal choice. I do think some of the anti-smoking commercials are stupid, but they serve a purpose. I do think they should be targeted more toward teenagers and I agree that most everything companies do is to avoid lawsuits etc. I to have friends from High School who's main purpose of everyday is to find and smoke as much weed as possible and are doing nothing with their lives. I find it very sad, but it is their choice. I live in KY also and know exactly what your saying Fuzz420. Second hand smoke has been proven to be very harmful more and more over the years and has been proven to of killed people more and more. I however think that, banning and laws against the freedom of choice only create more problem and turmoil. I don't like comments said to me about it, mainly because I know the harm and side effects. However I do not respond the "F*** you" or any other type of offensive response. In fact if my smoking a cigarette is really bothering somebody I will leave the area or put it out. It's not for everyone and I don't want to do it for the rest of my life by any means. I agree with meggs on the seperate areas for various establishments. I'm not targeting anyone in this thread by anything I said. This is just my feelings on the subject.