R154 Spins too tough, no spin with case.

Patch

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First of all, can we have a drivetrain experts forum?

Anyways,

I've rebuilt several r154's, no problems whatsoever. So I bring this next one in, tear it apart. Syncros are trash, a gear has chip, yadda yadda yadda.

I start assembling with new bearing and sycros, 1st through 4th go on just fine on the middle plate, assemble 5th gear and its hub, and bam, there's my first issue. After about 4 hours of trying to figure out wtf was causing my syncro to not mate up, I measure the sycronizer and it turns out that the syncro that came in driftmotions kit was WRong with a capital WR. Too wide on the inner loop.

I tore it back down, measured every syncro, and even bearings too, everything is cool. Put it all together, attach my linkages, spin the shaft and start shifting gears and its tough. Not really tough, just just enough to notice it tougher than usual.

Thinking I was just bsing my self, I assemble the case, and now the shaft barely moves, and doesn't want to change gears. Like the case is putting too much pressure on the shafts, causing the syncros to bind. Yet the input/output shaft main bearings are right where they should be to install the snap rings under the bearing retainer.


So... any other r154 guys have suggestion. I'm so stumped. I've pulled this thing apart several times and can't figure it out. TSRM page by page right next to me even! (Usually don't use it, takes too long)
 

Supracentral

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Patch;1254003 said:
First of all, can we have a drivetrain experts forum?

We kind of have to have a drivetrain expert before we can create a forum for them...

Perhaps you are missing the point of the SME forums - they are the forums run by Subject Matter Experts in that particular area.

I moved this thread from the Engine Internals SME's forum, as this is outside of his area of expertise.

First, find us a qualified drivetrain expert who is a regular on this site and we may consider a forum for that person.
 

black89t

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i'm sure i can help you figure it out but what you saying doen't make much sence.

when you say you assembled 1st-4th that right there doesn't make sense. as the op shaft has 3rd, 2nd, 1st, then 5th at the end. that is what would be on the op shaft when its assembled. 4th has no gear. all your doing in 4th is sliding the 3-4 sleeve onto the input shaft.



so your saying 5th syncro didn't line up? as in it didn't line up with the three detents (little pieces of metal one the hub that are under spring pressure to keep the sleeve from floating around).

and shifting gears on any tranny isn't easy when just moving the rail with no leverage. those detent do what the do good.


so my questions for you is are you saying the shaft barely rotates? did you make sure everything was smooth while pressing everything together and before putting the main case on (as in did the all gears, bearings, and syncros spin freely). then you put the case on and things felt tight.