I have a 1989 Toyota Supra Turbo. I just a did a clutch job on it and now it doesn't want to go in to gear while the car is running. the gear goes in fine when the car is off. When i put the car in first gear, holding the clutch pedal down and i start the car, the car wants to take off slowly while the clutch is still to the floor. the car doesn't stall out when i step on the break ( still holding the clutch down). ok a quick run down on what i did to the car. i took the tranny out and took the original clutch to a shop to get it refurbish. they redid the clutch, resurface the flywheel, new bearing and redid the pressure plate. then i just put everything back together as the same way i took it out. not really sure about the correct position of the pressure plate though? is it only one way that the pressure plate can go in? i found out that theres two way to put the pressure plate back together. i didn't mark the pressure plate to ensure the exact way it came out. is that a possible problem? i tried putting the pressure plate back in two separate ways but still no luck. is there another way to put the pressure plate back in? i tighten the pressure plate after the tranny is bolt back into the tranny like the book said. my guess is that the fork is not releasing the pressure plate enough. i see that the fork has a lot of play when i put the slave cylinder back. is it possible that the shop gave me the wrong clutch by giving me a none turbo one, same goes for the pressure plate? i took the tranny apart again and still couldn't fine out the problem. is its possible that the clutch have tooooo much meat on it? any help is much appreciated thank you for your time.
R154 and W58 same clutch?
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First thing that came to mind was how is your pilot bearring? It is located at the trany
end of the crankshaft. muzy
Disregard that, you may have some air in slave. I gusse your cluch pedel feels about the
same or you would have mentioned that. Full of fluid? muzy
end of the crankshaft. muzy
Disregard that, you may have some air in slave. I gusse your cluch pedel feels about the
same or you would have mentioned that. Full of fluid? muzy
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The W58 uses a push type clutch, the R154 uses a pull type. No, there is no possibility that they gave you the wrong one without you noticing.
Sounds like the hydraulic lines have air in them.
Sounds like the hydraulic lines have air in them.
Umm.......i already bled the slave cylinder. should i bleed the master too? the thing is that i never open up the line that goes to the slave cylinder, so there shouldn't be any air in the system right?. I guess i will try to bleed the master and ill let you8 guys know what happens. Your right i have pull type system. it seems like it's not pulling it all the way though. is it possible that the fork is bad or does the fork have a metal piece adapter that goes at the end of the fork that connects to the pressure plate, to help it pull more? My friend posted this online for me. im the one with the problem. thanks you guys for all your feed back.
GrimJack;1182425 said:
the thing i notice once i put back the slave cylinder was that the fork had a lot play in it. Im not sure if the fork suppose to have that much play. ok here what it looks like from what i seen. you know that theres a hole in the tranny that is about 4 to 5 inches long where you can see the slave cylinder hooks up to the fork. the slave fork stays about in the middle of the hole. should the fork stay closer to the start of the hole or in the middle. sorry if my explanation is kinda vague. heres a little picture of what i mean.............[ I] or [ I ]. right now my fork is in the middle. thanks again u guys
GrimJack;1182425 said:
is it possible that i put the clutch on backwards? i put the none spring side facing the flywheel. the clutch side with no spring says on the clutch (this side to the flywheel) so it cant be wrong right?
It's possible to put the disc in backwards, and it causes problems. Did you assemble it like this page details: http://www.cygnusx1.net/Supra/Library/TSRM/MK3/manual.aspx?S=CL&P=11
Specifically, with the 'snout' side of the disc pointed towards the transmission rather than towards the engine?
It's unlikely that the fork is bad, but pull it out and have a look. It's only held in with a small clip. They are cast iron, so it's likely to snap entirely rather than bend. Do you have it connected to the throw bearing assembly properly?
Specifically, with the 'snout' side of the disc pointed towards the transmission rather than towards the engine?
It's unlikely that the fork is bad, but pull it out and have a look. It's only held in with a small clip. They are cast iron, so it's likely to snap entirely rather than bend. Do you have it connected to the throw bearing assembly properly?
GrimJack;1182572 said:
I think it look like they gave me the wrong clutch. My clutch looks like the top picture. when u said the snout needs to face towards the transmission. i was a little confuse then i took a closer look and saw the snout that u point out. the clutch that i have doesn't have a snout on it. the tranny i have is the pull system. i didnt notice this because i took the clutch in to get it refurbish and i didn't have the old one to compare it to.THIS COULD BE THE PROBLEM!! THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT. i knew it had to be the wrong clutch. thanks again man!!! for your help GRIMJACK and Muzy!!! ill let you know if it works after i come back from costa rica. i will work on it once i come back on tuesday. Thanks again
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If the flywheel was machined too far would cause you the same problems. since the clutch and flywheel is farther from the clutch fork it causes the slave cyl to have to travel that much farther before engagement. Try adjusting the clutch pedal to see if that takes care of your problem if your clutch is the correct one.
RedGT;1185449 said:
Ok, ill do that if switching out the wrong clutch wont do the trick. im guessing putting the right clutch in will solve the problem. thanks again for every ones input. this forum has been very helpful. still in costa rica.....so once im back ill let you guys know if it works.
Originally Posted by RedGT View Post
If the flywheel was machined too far would cause you the same problems. since the clutch and flywheel is farther from the clutch fork it causes the slave cyl to have to travel that much farther before engagement. Try adjusting the clutch pedal to see if that takes care of your problem if your clutch is the correct one.
then it would have less clearance and slip which would make it disengage easier.
If the flywheel was machined too far would cause you the same problems. since the clutch and flywheel is farther from the clutch fork it causes the slave cyl to have to travel that much farther before engagement. Try adjusting the clutch pedal to see if that takes care of your problem if your clutch is the correct one.
then it would have less clearance and slip which would make it disengage easier.
hvyman;1186208 said:
Yea, your right, I forgot that these flywheels clutch face arent flush with the PP mounting.
i had exactly the same probleme when i swapped my motor for a new one... i made the mistake of putting back the clutch disk on the wrong side! and it made the same thing as yours. had to bring the car in a garage, 500$ later, found myself pretty stupid... 
(sorry for the poor english)
(sorry for the poor english)Hey you guys its me again. MAN!!!! im having the same problem. Im still a little confuse on which way the clutch goes in. heres is the picture of the clutch. can someone tell me which direction the clutch should go in. is the clutch i have the right one this time, i have a pull type clutch. is there a certain way to bolt the tranny back in? the way i do it is that i put the trranny in first then bolt the clutch back in through the little hole on the side. thanks you guys. im ready to give up now if no one response. thanks again.
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The side with the extra little plate goes towards the pressure plate, away from the flywheel.
It's easy to put it back in. Put the pressure plate and disc on the input shaft on the tranny side. Bolt the tranny bellhousing to the block. Have someone spin the engine using the front main pulley until you can get a 12mm socket on a long extension on the first bolt - put it through the hole that the slave cylinder goes into. Crank that bolt over a couple turns, spin the engine to the next bolt, couple turns, spin engine, rinse, repeat.
Bolt the rest of the parts back on - inspection covers, clutch slave, driveline, etc, etc.
It's easy to put it back in. Put the pressure plate and disc on the input shaft on the tranny side. Bolt the tranny bellhousing to the block. Have someone spin the engine using the front main pulley until you can get a 12mm socket on a long extension on the first bolt - put it through the hole that the slave cylinder goes into. Crank that bolt over a couple turns, spin the engine to the next bolt, couple turns, spin engine, rinse, repeat.
Bolt the rest of the parts back on - inspection covers, clutch slave, driveline, etc, etc.
Say Grim, can you also install clutch normale way by useing stub shaft in flywheel. Hang
disk then plate, bolt em up. Then push trans in. Or is ther somthing odd about toyota
clutch system. Most clutch pacs come with plastic stub shaft that Ive seen? muzy
disk then plate, bolt em up. Then push trans in. Or is ther somthing odd about toyota
clutch system. Most clutch pacs come with plastic stub shaft that Ive seen? muzy
GrimJack;1192357 said:
Ok thanks!! does it cause problem if you put the pressure plate back in the wrong position and does it cause the same problem by the gear not going in? I found out that there is two way to put the pressure plate back in and all the bolts line up too. the weird part is that i put the clutch back in the same way you told me the fist time and still no luck (the right clutch this time).im going to the dealership to buy a new clutch from them. im thinking that the place where i took the clutch to get it refurbish probably messed up the clutch and pressure plate. so im ordering a new pressure plate and clutch from them and will put it back the same way you told me too. thanks again for your help. I have pulled tranny out about 6 times already.....sigh.... :icon_cry:
Picture 4 is suppose to be facing the pressure plate correct? and picture 3 is facing the flywheel right?
Tough to use the plastic stub on the R154 tranny due to the pull assembly on the pressure plate. You would need an EXTRA long plastic stub, and I've never seen one more than about 4 inches long.Muzy;1192476 said:
Yes, if you put the pressure plate in backwards, it will not work properly.JDWORKZ;1192779 said:Ok thanks!! does it cause problem if you put the pressure plate back in the wrong position and does it cause the same problem by the gear not going in? I found out that there is two way to put the pressure plate back in and all the bolts line up too. the weird part is that i put the clutch back in the same way you told me the fist time and still no luck (the right clutch this time).im going to the dealership to buy a new clutch from them. im thinking that the place where i took the clutch to get it refurbish probably messed up the clutch and pressure plate. so im ordering a new pressure plate and clutch from them and will put it back the same way you told me too. thanks again for your help. I have pulled tranny out about 6 times already.....sigh.... :icon_cry:
Picture 4 is suppose to be facing the pressure plate correct? and picture 3 is facing the flywheel right?
#4 points towards the pressure plate, #3 points towards the flywheel.
GrimJack;1193264 said:
So what you are saying is that there's a right way, AND a wrong way to install it?!? :biglaugh: