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kotu100

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why remove the charcoal cannister anyway? i bent the stock hardline that runs along the firewall so it now runs along the frame on the drivers side, the vac from bvsv goes under intake then behind radiator to driver fender well where the charcoal cannister is now mounted.
 

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why keep it?? its not my daily driver,no emissions,no inspections, and cops don't care bout anything in this city, iv seen all out tube chassis rock buggies downtown at a red light next to a cop and not even the slightest hint of a red or blue i use to live in mass and nh for years growing up and i hated it too many rules emissions and state inspections play a huge role in the mods we do to our cars
 

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Without the canister there is no check valve and you will not have any pressure in the tank. You will constantly be venting gasoline.

If you cap it, you will have too much pressure in the tank and will need a vented gas cap.

If you don't like seeing it in the bay, simply get a smaller one from another vehicle and relocate it. :)

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I think you can relocate it very easy. But delete is what I'm gonna do. And just vent it. Never leave the line open in the engine bay; it can cause a fire. If you just vent it the fuel pump won't last as long. The fuel pump likes a certain pressure to be in the tank and that is what the charcoal canister provides. Of course this is just info from what I have read on forums about this topic.
 

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ahhh I never realised that. I tought the charcoal canister was only used to pour the fuel vapor into the fenders when vacuum was applied to the canister.
I'll try to make some custom mounting brakets (broke the original ones) and put the damn thing back.

by the way: does it has any effect on MPG or something?
 

nofx230

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by "design" the charcoal canister is only used to provide the gas tank a way to vent but to keep gas vapors to a minimal hence the charcoal whether or not it keeps the gas tank at a certain pressure I'm uncertain but i highly doubt it iv driven a few of my other cars without the canister for years and my fuel pumps never gave me any problems find a safe way to vent it outta the engine bay and id say you'd be all set or relocate it if you feel you have to keep it
 

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same thing happens when you pump gas into your car or every time you take off your gas cap off just saying
 

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nofx230;1808407 said:
by "design" the charcoal canister is only used to provide the gas tank a way to vent but to keep gas vapors to a minimal hence the charcoal whether or not it keeps the gas tank at a certain pressure I'm uncertain but i highly doubt it iv driven a few of my other cars without the canister for years and my fuel pumps never gave me any problems find a safe way to vent it outta the engine bay and id say you'd be all set or relocate it if you feel you have to keep it




same thing happens when you pump gas into your car or every time you take off your gas cap off just saying

It most certainly DOES keep pressure in the tank. The gas vapor is not simply dumped out of the canister or absorbed into the charcoal. Some might be, but the vapors are also pulled into your engine once the engine is at operating temp via the BVSV in the water neck.

Do you have any idea how fast gasoline evaporates? Sure, you lose a good amount of vapor when you take off the cap to refuel, but that's one release of pressure and vapor for a few minutes. Do you realize how minuscule that is compared to leaving it vented permanently? I refuel maybe once a week. I assume you're similar. Maybe even less.

That's roughly 3-5 minutes of venting gasoline vapors per week.

Now consider having it vented continuously. That's roughly 10,080 minutes per week.

So yeah, opening your gas tank cap to refuel is practically the same as leaving it open all the time. 4 minutes compared to 10,000 minutes. Pretty much the same. :nono:

NOT TO MENTION the fact that the gasoline (as like any other liquid I know of) evaporates at a slower rate when it has a confined, pressurized head space. Just because taking something off your car doesn't kill the car in a year doesn't mean you aren't causing undue damage...
 

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then what about deleting the charcoal canister and and bypassing the bvsv and routing directly to the throttle body from the gas tank vent tube thats spos to go to the charcoal canister?????
 

kotu100

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Do i need to remove the cooler to get rid of the EGR or can i just put a block off plate on the intake mani flange?
Running AEM and switching to ffim so don't tell me to keep it.
 

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nofx230;1808473 said:
then what about deleting the charcoal canister and and bypassing the bvsv and routing directly to the throttle body from the gas tank vent tube thats spos to go to the charcoal canister?????

Seriously? Lol. You want to pull a vacuum on your gas tank constantly while driving?

I give up. I made a mistake trying to help out here.

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suprarx7nut;1808504 said:
Seriously? Lol. You want to pull a vacuum on your gas tank constantly while driving?

I give up. I made a mistake trying to help out here.

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nofx230;1808473 said:
then what about deleting the charcoal canister and and bypassing the bvsv and routing directly to the throttle body from the gas tank vent tube thats spos to go to the charcoal canister?????

Going to run like crap that way. For starters, you feeding more fuel in all the time. You're also pulling a vacuum on the tank (which the vent in the gas cap will replace with air) leading to even more flow of gas vapors. Not even taking into account the lack of 2psi on the tank...

kotu100;1808474 said:
Do i need to remove the cooler to get rid of the EGR or can i just put a block off plate on the intake mani flange?
Running AEM and switching to ffim so don't tell me to keep it.

To do it right, yes.

nofx230;1808485 said:
check out this link for drift motions egr block off plate plates http://store.driftmotion.com/static/i-7megrblockoffplateset.php

it is possible to remove and reinstall the egr cooler with the head still on the car in case you wanna switch back and run the egr cooler, but be warned its a PITA


totally forgot this was a egr removal thread lmao sorry guys

Yep, removing the EGR cooler is not fun (I have scars to prove it :rofl: ). I unbolted the tranny mount from the crossmember and jacked the tranny up to tip the engine forward. I also used swivel head gearwrenches with the mini-socket adapters. I honestly don't think I could have done it without the tools I had...