Question about the Mirage and Lancer

[Phantom]

Just a thought and probably won't buy one for two more years. Not getting rid of my MA70 though, that I am keeping.

Would get one as a daily driver. I am also interested in making it a sleeper. I think both the Mirage and the Lancer looks great, but I am thinking more of the Mirage since I heard I could drop the 4G63T in the car.

Correct me if I am wrong, but from what I heard is that the Lancer will not bolt up with an Evo motor. Does anyone know about this? I know there are some people on here owns Lancers too.

No I'm not interested in an EvoVIII because I think that MA70 is the best car for me. I'm also not interested into turning the Lancer into an EvoVIII either since I heard it would cost more than to buy the real car. So for the Lancer, the most I would do is maybe a motor swap if possible. If not, great daily driver anyways. With the Mirage, heck since the EvoVI wasn't released in the U.S. it could go with just a swap to a full conversion.

 

[Mr.PFloyd]

evos are lancers are sooo different so i wouldnt be surprize if they didnt bolt up. But the lancers are good DD's. my friend had one at one time.

 

[tlo86]

mirage is a good daily driver, my girlfriend has one. not sure if you can use the engine though, would be nice

 

[supra90turbo]

Mirage = Evolution.
It's been done and done to death.
Search around. You'll find how-to's and stuff.
The Mirage's have 4G94's in 'em, so think NA-GTE swap basically.

It can be done quite easily.
Enjoy your newfound sleeper status.

also, light mods or even stock will make that thing faster than your supra probably will be.

 

[MassSupra89]

I saw a Ralliart Galant prototype at a new car expo alittle over a year ago... It looked sick, and was supposed to be like, 300+awhp. That would be awesome.

 

[Phantom]

Mirage = Evolution.
It's been done and done to death.
Search around. You'll find how-to's and stuff.
The Mirage's have 4G94's in 'em, so think NA-GTE swap basically.

It can be done quite easily.
Enjoy your newfound sleeper status.

also, light mods or even stock will make that thing faster than your supra probably will be.

I couldn't locate any info on this. I google searched the thing and I haven't found it.

I would mod the motor that comes in it, but I guess the other one would give me room to improve if I ever choose to. But then again, the car should only make the power that is going to be used. The 4G63T is what I would like so I probably go for it.

Yeah, light mod might make it more faster than my MA70 Supra, but I still will love my Supra very much.

 

[supra90turbo]

Why bother modding the stock engine? It's an anemic piece of shit!
Swap a 4G63 in it. It's plenty easy enough.
You're in for some trouble though... if there's one thing pickier than a 7MGTE, it's a 4G63...

 

[SupraDerk]

Yeah, the Mirage is basically the same chassis as the Evo. TONS of people do the 4g63 swap and Evo conversion so finding information for it shouldn't be hard. Search around the DSM forums. Here's some of the engines that you can swap into one...

G9 SERIES
4g93
4g94
4g92

G6 series
4g63
4g64

 

[americanjebus]

what 4g63 would you be dropping in???

1g dsm
2g dsm
evo if you sourced the $$? <- not this is an inverted 4g63 with timing belt of opposite side of the previouse 2

if your going to build this go with the 6bolt long block 2g IM, some pacesetter headers and big 16g turbo, a balance shaft eliminator kit, and you'll have a plenty strong platform if your just looking to drop it into that car. just make sure you keep ALL of the timing belt covers on that thing and keep them tight. gawd i hate those interference engines.

 

[Phantom]

From what I found out on MirageForums.net, they said the '97-'01 Mirage can't bolt up to a 4G63T from 1st and 2nd Eclipse because the timing belt is completely opposite, but a motor from an Evolution IV and up would work.

 

[brad92t]

if your going to build this go with the 6bolt long block 2g IM,

you obviously dont know that 2g dsm motors are almost as prone to crankwalk as we are to bhg :aigo:

stay away from those

my first turbo car was a 92 talon tsi awd.. big 16g, mbc, blah blah blah.. i was in the DSM community for several years

 

[Jspec7m88]

My #10 dream car on my list...

91 Galant VR-4.:drool: :drool:

Get a Galant if you want to go with a Mitsu that's a sleeper...good luck finding one though..:icon_conf

*edit* I came from a VERY big DSM/Mitsu background...

 

[americanjebus]

you obviously dont know that 2g dsm motors are almost as prone to crankwalk as we are to bhg :aigo:

stay away from those

my first turbo car was a 92 talon tsi awd.. big 16g, mbc, blah blah blah.. i was in the DSM community for several years

yea you obviously dont know that the 6 bolt block didnt have the crankwalk issue, in 1992 the 7 bolt block was introduced with the remeasured spaces on the crank that ended up causing the crankwalk. pre 92 blocks, aka the 6 bolt blocks dont have the crankwalk issue that only comes up after about 150k miles depending on how the engine was treated, i have been arround those engines for a long time too. Just like our headgaskets they can be treated and are not the end of the world.

thats why i said to use the 6 bolt block with a 2g intake manifold, 2g had better aifflow but poorly measured crank clearances which lasted from mid 1992 until 1998.


Jspec: i really doubt hes going to find a reliable galant vr4 for cheep, gawd i want one, but a run down POS with mismatched parts and like 180k miles was selling for about $5k earlier this year.

 

[Phantom]

I don't want a Mitsubishi Galant VR4. I'm just interested in the '97-'01 Mirage. I was just wondering if my only option is to get motor out of the Evolution IV and up only or can I use some other 4G63T from other sources?

 

[s383mmber1]

mirage = :love:

 

[souprat]

jeebus and brad: your both right. the 1g shortblock is usually the prefered way to go with a built 4g63. but if you use the 2g intake mani dont forget to bolt up the 1g TB, they are bigger but i cant remember by how much.

good bud of mine had a 99GSX, big 16g, huge fmic, hks ssq, dsm link, maft, clutch.............. god, he's spent more than twice what i have on my car.

 

[WeDgE]

yea you obviously dont know that the 6 bolt block didnt have the crankwalk issue, in 1992 the 7 bolt block was introduced with the remeasured spaces on the crank that ended up causing the crankwalk.

Doesn't 2g = 7-bolt?

 

[americanjebus]

Doesn't 2g = 7-bolt?

what do you mean?, 2g = 95+ model year dsm's, but that same 7 bolt short block that was used in 2g dsm's was also put in the 1g during its last two years of production, 92-94.

phanton: sorry for derailing your thread with irelivant info. i dont know anything about the evo engine other than the fact that the timing belt is on oposite side and that they are expensive.

 

[Phantom]

what do you mean?, 2g = 95+ model year dsm's, but that same 7 bolt short block that was used in 2g dsm's was also put in the 1g during its last two years of production, 92-94.

phanton: sorry for derailing your thread with irelivant info. i dont know anything about the evo engine other than the fact that the timing belt is on oposite side and that they are expensive.

Hey, it's cool. I don't mind. It is relevant if you ask me. Yeah, I knew the evo engines were going to be not cheap and that the timing belt is on the reverse side of the earlier cars which is why I heard it would work with the Mirage '97 and up. So I was just wondering if there was a other options.

 

[brad92t]

yea you obviously dont know...

hmmm not quite..

crankwalk can happen any time, any place, any miles... not only that but your so called "same as 2g" 1g 7 bolt motor did NOT have crankwalk issues.. ONLY 2g cars had the problem 95+...there is a page somewhere with many many pics of chopped up blocks where they reverse engineeer why this is true.. but i dont feel like finding it.. in the mean time here is RRE's archive page on the matter.. please note the mileages listed
http://www.roadraceengineering.com/walkingcrankshaft.htm

plus 92 was a transition year so there are plenty of 92s with 7 bolts and plenty with 6 bolts..

now i miss my dsm

you made me sad.. lol