Power steering pump Issues after Rack replacment

jetjock

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Oh, oh....he's got the filter bug ;). Smart move as auto trannys are one of the most neglected systems on a car and yet one of the most expensive to repair.

The Magnafine would be the quick way out and they last a long time if you start with clean fluid. I'd recommend starting with a fluid change no matter what you do. Syn if you can swing it. The problem is to flush a tranny completely requires more than dropping the pan.

You can add a full flow spin on or a bypass in either the line going to the cooler or the return. If you're adding a supplemental air/oil cooler put the filter in the line going to the cooler to protect it. If you're sticking with just the radiator cooler either return or supply line will do. If using a bypass you'll need to dump it back into the pan or some other zero pressur elace like the dipstick tube. You can also pick the pressure feed for a bypass off the tranny's oil pressure test port.

Sticking only with spin ons, just get a Permacool or similair filter mount and find a place to put it. Be sure to use a spin on that'll handle the maybe higher pressure in the tranny lines. Or do as I said and go with a hydraulic filter from a place like Northern Tool. Hydraulic filters have great filtration combined with high flow.

Lots of ways to skin this cat. You can also put a sandwich adapter on the full flow spin on mount and then run lines to a bypass filter, either spin on or a TP type. That way you get bypass filtration without having to tap the tranny pan. You'll end up with two filters though and space may become an issue. No matter what you do change the filter at about 500 miles the first time. After that the fluid will remain so clean you can go 25-40K miles or more on it.

Probably the easist way is to buy a Permacool tranny filter kit from Summit for around $70. That price gets you a complete kit, with a tranny fluid temp gage and sender that goes in the filter mount. Without the gage it'll be lots cheaper. Check the bypass filter section of BITOG for other ideas.
 
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Supra5MGTE

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good to know. i'll probly end up buying the permacool kit from summit w/out the temp gauge. It's just my girl's daily driver. she drives the car like an old lady. she's owned the car since last Nov and never floored it yet.


UPDATE: was just on summit's site. Permacool, B&M and summit make a ATF filter kit. pretty simple design. wish I knew about this trick earlier in life. it's just some hose, clamps, and the filter adapter. they use a PH8A/HP1 type oil filter. i'm going with the summit kit. samething as all the other... just no name stamped on it. $30. Thanks JJ for tipping me off to this. Money is tight right now.... i'll probly end up using Valvoline ATF from work b/c I can get a discount.
 
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supra90turbo

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Which one do you use, JJ? IMO the $20 one is a steal! But, is the $99 one that much better? It probably should be for 5x the price...


I've noticed, too, you seem to use "tinyurl" and "tinypic" an awful lot, any particular reason?
 

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I use the $20 inline one, more for it's ease of installation and filtering ability than for the magnetic part. I prefer using other, finer, filtration on auto trannys but I use the Magnefine on the PS. It works fine on trannys though as it's cheap and easy to install in either case.

That other gadget is sorta snake oilish imho. Not that oil magnetics don't work, they do. Just that there are better ways of doing it. Dropping a cow or rare earth magnet in your regular filter or using a mag drain plug for example. Fwiw I do neither.

I use tinyurl because it's convienent for you, the reader. It's not only a hassle to post long URLs but a hassle for people to use them. It's either that or I'm too stupid to know of a better way ;)

Edit: I see now. You were asking aout the "performance" inline version for $99. Same internals, just purty on the outside and with AN connections. Basically bling.
 
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supra90turbo

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LOL @ "too stupid to know a better way"

I figured that the other was simply an aluminum housing with AN fittings. Glad to find that out for sure.
Yeah, the "Forcefield" I wouldn't even consider. Same with those inline fuel magnet things.... they "straighten out" the molecules for "increased combustion" suuuure...
that, and the "Tornado" net me a 69% increase in fuel mileage!!

LOL.
 

Supra5MGTE

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Are there any other companies/options for a inline p/s filter? I would just put it inline in the return before the Resevior. I was thinking along the lines of a inline Fuel Filter of some sort.
 

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Not that I'm aware of but that doesn't mean squat. I suppose you could use an inline fuel filter but it may be too fine. The Magnefine media is sized for ATF and it has a bypass in case you forget to change it, which isn't going to be as often as they claim if you start out with a clean system. If not change it after 30K. The second one will last just about forever. Mine is right under the AFM, spliced into the PS return line from the cooler. It's filtering the Mobil One syn ATF I installed after a flush I did 5 years ago. Be sure you install the thing correctly as it has a check valve in it ;)
 

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The silly loop the runs up to the front is the perfect place for a filter on the power steering system. I've had one on my '88 since shortly after I bought it in '92. I used a standard remote filter adaptor, probably from JC Whitney, and some push-on hose ends. The filter of choice at the time was Fram PH8A, but now it's a Purolator 30001. That $3 filter lasts until it's all rusty, which is usually the only reason why I change it. The fluid stays looking new for years and that screen in the reservoire is always empty. My pump with 216,000 miles on it still runs like new. Of course, the rack is now sloppy, but that's a different problem. I'm about to redo it because the hoses are getting quite old.

I can post some pictures if anyone's interested.

Asterix
 

jetjock

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Smart man. Yep, fluid contamination is the single greatest killer of hydraulic systems. I was going to install a filter in that spot but my 87 only has that stupid pipe so I choose to install a small cooler there. Took up all the room. Overkill with syn fluid for sure but I'm anal.

Moroso makes a neat combo cooler/filter I almost went with but the filter is specific to them and it's messy to change. Good choice on the Purolator btw.
 

Supra5MGTE

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I think I'll go with a metal inline fuel filter for the p/s fluid. See how that works out. I can get them at work for only a few bucks a peice. they're are a bunch of differenct designs... clear plastic and small, clear plastic and big, metal small, metal big etc. I think I'll do a good sized Metal filter.
 

jetjock

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Hold on there my man. You need to be sure those will handle the flow and plastic fuel filters aren't designed to handle the heat of PS fluid. I'd stay away from them if I were you. Metal won't let you see if the media has collapsed and fuel filters have no bypass ability. A problem will send stuff into the system, defeating the entire purpose of having a filter. You're taking several risks just to save a few bux. If I were you I'd spring for the right thing.
 

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I've been away easter weekend, so I havent been able to respond.

I'm curious exactly as to why ATF cleans as well as it does then. Like I've said I regularly clean P/S reservoirs and tools with it...it takes shit right off. How exactly does it do it then? How wouldnt it work?

The link posted showed elemental components, though that doesnt tell me specifically anything. I do not know enough about said makeup to understand it
 

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Supra5MGTE said:
There were chunks coming out biggger than frosted flakes. I used the garden hose to back flush it about 100x's. Carb cleaner, PB'Laster... everything. debre just kept coming out. put it back on, burped it.... PERFECT. the wheel is much easier to turn, no noises from the pump like it's dry.... absolutely perfect. thanks again. I learned something new today.


Supra5! I had the same problem on my power steering pump and I checked the bottom of the resovoir like you did and it was full of junk. I cleaned it out and my steering is quiet and smooth. Thank you!
n2fishin69
 

IJ.

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OZ: It's chock full of anti oxidents so maybe this is why everything stays so clean!

n2: When I got my rack and pump rebuilt they wouldn't warranty it unless I fitted a filter! (I installed a small header type cooler as well)