post pictures of your hard pipe air intake
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Yeah won't run with out that "stock air flow" thing, unless you're SD Maft-Pro.beachsupra;1106387 said:
Before I went that route I had a hard pipe from the first accordian pipe to the last one after the AFM, that's about all you can do with it. It elimates the big air canister. And you can put a aftermarket air filter on the AFM like a Apiex.
coated headers with thermo-tec wrap on intake to help keep things a little cooler. every little bit helps.
wade3570;1106404 said:coated headers with thermo-tec wrap on intake to help keep things a little cooler. every little bit helps.
What company makes the coated headers? Are where could i get myself some :1zhelp: Also, what company makes the intake pipe? As you can see im fairly new to supras
Those look like Pacesetters, what I have. There is a thread here in the NA section on headers probably a couple pages back. Also check out the stickies at the top of the NA section.87silverbullitt;1106438 said:What company makes the coated headers? Are where could i get myself some :1zhelp: Also, what company makes the intake pipe? As you can see im fairly new to supras
3" inner cooler pipe:
Ceramic coated the top pipe:
The pipe from the front of the AFM(Air Flow Meter) goes through the core support, and has my air filter on the end of it, just above and behind my fog light.
Ceramic coated the top pipe:
The pipe from the front of the AFM(Air Flow Meter) goes through the core support, and has my air filter on the end of it, just above and behind my fog light.
they are Pacesetter headers. they're not the best headers around, but i dremeled the openings to match the head a little better. I think OBX are popular too & maybe slightly better from what i read on here. I just happen to get a good deal, that's all. I'm not building a monster, so they work fine for me. definitely helped with throttle response. As far as i understand, the exhaust is pretty restrictive on the 7M's, so intake and headers help a lot. I may be building a box for the intake filter or extending the piping further down also. Intake is just a piece of pipe from a local race shop with turbonetics couplers.
87silverbullitt;1106438 said:What company makes the coated headers? Are where could i get myself some :1zhelp: Also, what company makes the intake pipe? As you can see im fairly new to supras
I'm going to start hunting down and killing people who make these threads...
Ditching the accordion hose = minor win
Removing the intake resonator = minor lose
Installing air filter in such a way that it pulls air from the engine bay = MAJOR lose
Yet another one of these threads = I vote BAN
Ditching the accordion hose = minor win
Removing the intake resonator = minor lose
Installing air filter in such a way that it pulls air from the engine bay = MAJOR lose
Yet another one of these threads = I vote BAN
There are types of intake silencers which do impose a restriction. These don't. Additionally, they're turned for a certain frequency. At that frequency they help remove oscillations in the incoming airflow.... you know it's like turbulence. Unfortunately, removing that oscillation or reducing it reduces the "cool sound, yo!".
There's more to it than that, but that's enough to get you started. If you pay attention to where you're getting your information you can find more here and on google. Search Helmholtz resonator. Removing the resonator will cause a loss, but it's doubtful that it's anything any of us would be able to measure with the instruments available to us.
Hell, even if it did impose a restriction it's nothing you would notice... not with a VAF.
I'm also just nitpicking... there are enough of these threads about this. Let's search in the future, ok beach?
BUT, to add constructively to this thread I'll add:
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60996
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14552
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51055
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48785
I found a LOT more. Just do an advanced search for "civic intake" in the 7M-GE section.
There's more to it than that, but that's enough to get you started. If you pay attention to where you're getting your information you can find more here and on google. Search Helmholtz resonator. Removing the resonator will cause a loss, but it's doubtful that it's anything any of us would be able to measure with the instruments available to us.
Hell, even if it did impose a restriction it's nothing you would notice... not with a VAF.
I'm also just nitpicking... there are enough of these threads about this. Let's search in the future, ok beach?
BUT, to add constructively to this thread I'll add:
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60996
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14552
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51055
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48785
I found a LOT more. Just do an advanced search for "civic intake" in the 7M-GE section.
i agree totally with you. in my particular case, when i got my car, the accordion intake was ripped and the resonator gone. i just happen to have a friend at a race shop who had some stuff laying around, so i made use of it. good advice though! i'm thinking of building a box for the intake or lowering the intake pipe. do you think either of these ideas will help keep things a little cooler?
CRE... so what your saying is on my turbo supra i shouldnt replace any of the IC pipes because the system was designed for what they are, and the stock pipe is the 'best' performance?
although i understand that the turbo and non-turbo supras are different, the non-turbo engine isnt exactly a power house, and if you keep the head shields on then you shouldnt be 'heat soaking' the intake like you make it sound.
the reason i see to replace is it becuase you can only flow so much air though that little inlet on the filter box. and i hate to say it, but if 'short ram' intakes didnt really do anything, AEM wouldnt be in business... and last time i checked, there pretty well off.
and just FYI i saw nothing about the 'silencer' in those threads...
for those of you who are really concerned with heat on your intake pipe, wrap it in the exhaust wrap. if it can hold in 1400 degree exhaust im sure it'll also keep the air the same temp...
although i understand that the turbo and non-turbo supras are different, the non-turbo engine isnt exactly a power house, and if you keep the head shields on then you shouldnt be 'heat soaking' the intake like you make it sound.
the reason i see to replace is it becuase you can only flow so much air though that little inlet on the filter box. and i hate to say it, but if 'short ram' intakes didnt really do anything, AEM wouldnt be in business... and last time i checked, there pretty well off.
and just FYI i saw nothing about the 'silencer' in those threads...
for those of you who are really concerned with heat on your intake pipe, wrap it in the exhaust wrap. if it can hold in 1400 degree exhaust im sure it'll also keep the air the same temp...
Rennat;1107119 said:
We're not talking about pipe or pipe diameter or ICs here AT ALL. Stay on topic or bug off... And no, the stock IC piping isn't the best option where power is concerned... but we don't just remove it either, do we? :icon_razz
As for heat, next time you go for a drive, pull over and check just how much hotter the engine bay is than the outside air. Even if the N/A were able to pull enough air that the air box's snorkel was a restriction (which it CAN'T) the cooler air would still most likely be FAR MORE dense. 20 to 30º is a HUGE difference... not even you're IC can make up for it.
Don't believe me ask IJ or JJ.
Short ram intakes were good for vehicle where the air can be picked up from a cool location. The shorter the piping the better. Unfortunately, this isn't really something that's doable in most cars. If you look at any of the really heavy hitters in the performance industry you'll find their full CAI systems have a lot more engineering in them and they cost a lot more for a damned good reason. Filter elements are one thing, but the location and the route the air must travel afterward is another.
Short ram's sell because people think they're cool. Companies make them because they sell and they sell well... they are in it to make money after all.
EDIT: Why would there be anything in those threads about a silencer? That's only part of the function it serves... look it up by name some time. Of course the net's full of guys like you who just want to hate it because it's there... surely they put it there to slow you down... so I know you'll find 300 entries against it to every 1 for keeping it. That's why I said, I'm not going to argue about it. If you know it better, cool, go with your bad self.
And I didn't post those to provide info on resonators... I posted those so the OP could find the info and pics he asked for.... sheesh.
EDIT2: I'm not going to argue about what's better and what's not. Every car manufacturer makes sacrifices in the favor of reliability and they spend millions (more than companies like Injen and AEM) in R&D on what many people take to be very simple parts. Sure, our cars would ROCK if they all ran 10psi with all forged/cryo'd internals AND a 12.5:1 CR... they'd also not last very long and the company's rep would take a hit big enough to drive away all the sales that keep them afloat from year to year.
In the end, if you're lucky, you've gained enough ground from all the little tweaks and clever little additions to make up for at least some of the sacrifices made for reliability, emissions and noise ordinances. In a few cases these tweaks can be manipulated to work to you advantage.
If you don't think there's a benefit to something or you think that a different setup would be better then do some research and double check your info. I do and I try to be very sure of what I'm changing and it's effects. In some cases the changes may be negative but so minor that it really doesn't matter in regards to practical application (as is generally the case here concerning the resonator). In other cases the effect can be major, like a very large and nasty temperature increase.
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Oh, and by the way... I'm not running a resonator either... never got around to putting it back on when I switched out my plumbing for my S/D setup.... like I said, minor lose, not a huge horrible thing.
My filter's not in the engine bay though... that's the biggy.
Wade, yes, building a box around the filter (if it is in the engine bay) and making sure it still pulls air from in front of the radiator is an option that does work. A few people on here have done so.
My filter's not in the engine bay though... that's the biggy.
Wade, yes, building a box around the filter (if it is in the engine bay) and making sure it still pulls air from in front of the radiator is an option that does work. A few people on here have done so.
Interesting stuff regarding resonators etc.
http://www.planetsoarer.com/resonator/resonator.html
http://www.planetsoarer.com/indexfull.html
http://www.planetsoarer.com/resonator/resonator.html
http://www.planetsoarer.com/indexfull.html
BLACKCAT;1109964 said:
MY GOD!!! You mean they put it there for a reason?! <-----That's sarcasm for those of you who missed it.
Next look up "intake velocity versus pressure" on Google to find out why porting the hell out of your intake or moving to a larger diameter intake may be undesirable.
Now a simple polish... that's something else.Of course, along the same lines, an intake can only flow the capacity of it's smallest diameter... so given the size of the AFM's inlet, very little you can do will result in any major increases until you get rid of that restriction.
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