pistons and valves?

mk3supra

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i was looking at replacing my pistons and valves but i dont want to spend upwards of 700 for je pistons. so i was wondering if anyone knows about the Nippon pistons and valves? if its worth it to replace the factory ones wit them or is it a waste of money? thanks in advance
Jason
 

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I would advise against ordering those valves, only because i had a bad experience with the seller. I bought and sent my money order, and a month later i still didn't have confirmation that he sent them out, just a bunch of lies. I filed a claim with ebay and it's getting sorted out now, but I'll still be down $25 for the claim fee.
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You can buy forged weiscos pistons with the rings for under 600.00. Not as good as JE or CP but a big step up from stock.
 

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well im doin a NA/T swap and doin a slight rebuild before i put the Turbo motor in. i didnt know if it was worth the money to replace the pistons with the nippon ones while i had it apart. the engine has a mhg and i was going to just get it cleand but wasnt sure if there was anything else i should do to it other than check to see if its straight. in the rebuild im going for safety issues such as the oil pump water pump belts hoses, while trying to get a little more power. heres my plans

water pump
oil pump
complete gasket set
bic ddp
K&n intake
3in exhaust
cooleeze intercooler hard pipes
lexas AFM
550 injectors
walbro 255
rps 6 puck sprung clutch
greddy profec A
shim wastegate
shim oil pump

i would just like to have your thoughts and inputs on the nippon pistons, and wat else should do, I plan on having this done hopefully by the begining of may before i graduate. thanks
Jason
 

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mk3supra,

If the pistons look ok ( no significant scratches or fractures or even melted points ) then you can reuse them. Just make sure you send them with the rods to the machine shop to get mic'd!
( using a micrometer to make sure they are still in "round" or factory limitations on wear).

You could also get them coated with heat resistant paint for extra security. But by the time you spend the money on shot peening rods and cryo freezing the pistons/rods you could just buy a whole set of new pistons and rods that are forged.
/\ Thats just food for thought...


But if your budget allows, the BEST way is to just buy new pistons and rods ( eagle H-beams off ebay for $450 shipped right now !!!!).

I rebuilt my motor last year ( now have 19K miles right now) and reused the stock internals. I am only shooting for 450whp which is totally reasonable on stock internals! Of course replacing the wear items like the oil pump/water pump and all that jazz....

-Jonathan
 

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Mk3, I have a set of slightly larger than stock ROSS forged pistons, coated with thermal barrier on top, moly on the skirts and thermal dispersant on the underside that were used for less than 15 min. (Bad mistake on my part, and the engine started, and ran, and then died quickly as the bearings were wiped out.)

I pulled the motor apart, and there are slight, very slight, scratches on the skirts. The shop and I measured all of them, and none are any smaller measurement wise, but you can see the scratches. I have not yet re-coated the skirts, but would recoat them before selling, and belive that when re-coated, the scratches would be all but invisable, and dimensionally correct.

You might need to buy a new set of rings. They are less than 100.00 direct from ROSS. These pistons would fit the stock bore with some very minor clean up/honing. (Don't do the work untill the shop has the pistons, they need the exact measurements to match the bores to the slugs.) Set your clearance to no more than 4 thousands, or the ROSS pistons will slap when cold.

The pins are excellent, and I belive I have all the spiro locks too.

New these pistons are over 550.00, coatings would cost you another 250 or more, but I'll sell them for 400.00 if your interested. (Recoated on the skirts of course. And I'll split the shipping cost with you.)

Let me know if your interested. (BTW, I have some ARP rod bolts and some other parts if you need anything else. Just make me an offer.)

These coatings are extremely durable. IJ coated his ROSS pistons the exact same way, and I'm running another set in my stroker motor coated, and they have impressed me with how durable they are.
 

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i understand that eagle gives a good bang for the buck.. I THINK but when you are dealing with rods that take a beating since the moment the motor runs. Don't cheap out. Stick with stock over the eagles. I have yet to see the eagles last anywhere as long as stock and that is that they are "supposedly" forged. Yay for made in China!!
 

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Adjuster said:
Mk3, I have a set of slightly larger than stock ROSS forged pistons, coated with thermal barrier on top, moly on the skirts and thermal dispersant on the underside that were used for less than 15 min. (Bad mistake on my part, and the engine started, and ran, and then died quickly as the bearings were wiped out.)

I pulled the motor apart, and there are slight, very slight, scratches on the skirts. The shop and I measured all of them, and none are any smaller measurement wise, but you can see the scratches. I have not yet re-coated the skirts, but would recoat them before selling, and belive that when re-coated, the scratches would be all but invisable, and dimensionally correct.

You might need to buy a new set of rings. They are less than 100.00 direct from ROSS. These pistons would fit the stock bore with some very minor clean up/honing. (Don't do the work untill the shop has the pistons, they need the exact measurements to match the bores to the slugs.) Set your clearance to no more than 4 thousands, or the ROSS pistons will slap when cold.

The pins are excellent, and I belive I have all the spiro locks too.

New these pistons are over 550.00, coatings would cost you another 250 or more, but I'll sell them for 400.00 if your interested. (Recoated on the skirts of course. And I'll split the shipping cost with you.)

Let me know if your interested. (BTW, I have some ARP rod bolts and some other parts if you need anything else. Just make me an offer.)

These coatings are extremely durable. IJ coated his ROSS pistons the exact same way, and I'm running another set in my stroker motor coated, and they have impressed me with how durable they are.

too add

Ross is now doing the coatings before they ship them to the users if asked! :)

I was looking at thier site and they are able to coat pistons after they make em :)
 

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Eagles can't be that bad figs. When i watch horsepower tv there is always an addvertisement for eagle products, so even the domestic guys use them. You would think a product as widespread as that, spanning all types of vehicles, would be of some quality no? I hope for the sake of my virgin motor that I'm correct :biglaugh:
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Stretch said:
Eagles can't be that bad figs. When i watch horsepower tv there is always an addvertisement for eagle products, so even the domestic guys use them. You would think a product as widespread as that, spanning all types of vehicles, would be of some quality no? I hope for the sake of my virgin motor that I'm correct :biglaugh:
eric

can't does not exist ;)

they either fail prematurely or they don't, I trust eagles as far as i can throw my 7m-gte+ R154 tranny. btw none of the domestic guys making SERIOUS power use them ;)
 

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figgie said:
can't does not exist ;)

they either fail prematurely or they don't, I trust eagles as far as i can throw my 7m-gte+ R154 tranny. btw none of the domestic guys making SERIOUS power use them ;)


Actually tons and tons of people use the eagle upwards of 1000hp on v8s for without any stretching, breaking, ect. Do you have any personal expierience with eagle making you say this? because if not, i would keep your bad mouthing to yourself. I've been building motors for 7 years, not one single problem on an eagle rod. IMO eagles are a giant step up from stock rods. And for the price they cant be beat.
 

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Actually tons and tons of people use the eagle upwards of 1000hp on v8s for without any stretching, breaking, ect. Do you have any personal expierience with eagle making you say this? because if not, i would keep your bad mouthing to yourself. I've been building motors for 7 years, not one single problem on an eagle rod. IMO eagles are a giant step up from stock rods. And for the price they cant be beat.

7 years only?


In reallity yes i do have experience with the "Eagle" rod. Mind you that "Eagle" rods is a rebadged Chinese rod that has been availalbe for quite some time and the same problems persist. It is called shitty quality control.

Saying that guys run 1000 rwhp on eagles is one thing. Proving it is a different beast and this burden lies on you. I seen what eagles can't do and they can't handle stress any better than shot peened stock. PERIOD.
 

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figgie said:
7 years only?


In reallity yes i do have experience with the "Eagle" rod. Mind you that "Eagle" rods is a rebadged Chinese rod that has been availalbe for quite some time and the same problems persist. It is called shitty quality control.

Saying that guys run 1000 rwhp on eagles is one thing. Proving it is a different beast and this burden lies on you. I seen what eagles can't do and they can't handle stress any better than shot peened stock. PERIOD.

7 years only as a full time professional engine builder, much longer not full time. Yes eagle has been around for a while and yes it is a chinese rod. When they first came out they had some problems but that was years and years ago. I've built motors numbering in the thousands with eagle rods and no problems so far. Numerous hondas making 700hp on eagles, countless domestics over 1000hp with eagles with no problems. If you had expierence personally please explain what you mean by shitty quality. Have you personally had one break on you? Because i've personally had shot peened rods break on me, and never had an eagle break period.