pistol help

[Dunckel]

Here is a quick run down on silencers and sound suppressors, just for info.

Contrary to popular belief, removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors are legal to own under federal law. There are, however, 16 states, plus the District of Columbia , that prohibit the civilian ownership of removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors. At this time, the following states allow private ownership of removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors: AL, AR, AK, AZ, CO, CT, FL, GA, ID, IN, KY, LA, ME, MD,MS, MT, ND, NE, NV, NH, NM, NC, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WA,WV, WI, and WY. Of the sixteen states which do not allow civilian ownership, CA, IA, KS, MA, MO, and MI allow class 3 dealers and class two manufacturers to possess removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors.

Removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors, like machine-guns, are proscribed under the National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934, and are regulated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. The procedure for owning a removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors may seem daunting at first, but actually requires less paperwork than buying an automobile. The buyer then has the chief law enforcement officer (Sheriff, Chief of Police, head of state police agency, district attorney, a judge with the power of arrest, or any other law enforcement officer approved for this procedure by the National Firearms Act branch of the BATF) sign the rear of the Form 4 attesting the prospective purchaser does not possess a criminal record and is not wanted. The two fingerprint cards must be completed and signed by a law enforcement agency. The completed paperwork is then sent to the Department of the Treasury with a check or money order for $200.00. The $200.00 is known as a transfer tax, as it must be paid each time ownership of the removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors is "transferred" (in this case, the dealer to the prospective purchaser). As long as the silencer is owned by the same person, the tax need not be paid again. Only if the owner sells it will a new transfer tax need to be paid. An owner may will his silencer to a lawful heir, with no tax incurred.

Once the paper work is submitted, it normally takes less than sixty days to receive the approved, stamped paperwork from NFA Branch. It is only upon the return of the approved paperwork that the dealer can allow the prospective purchaser to take possession of his new silencer. A copy of the approved paperwork must accompany the silencer at all times (the original should be stored in a safe deposit box). Removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors can be transported to other states which allow their ownership, but to transport a removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors into one of the sixteen states which prohibit private ownership can subject the owner to serious state felony charges. So be careful.

 

[foreverpsycotic]

Yea the P22 would be a good choice...it is a great gun...I sell a ton of them and have used one and have nothing but good stories about it.

Price sent ffl?

 

[Tango_hotel]

Here is a quick run down on silencers and sound suppressors, just for info.

Contrary to popular belief, removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors are legal to own under federal law. There are, however, 16 states, plus the District of Columbia , that prohibit the civilian ownership of removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors. At this time, the following states allow private ownership of removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors: AL, AR, AK, AZ, CO, CT, FL, GA, ID, IN, KY, LA, ME, MD,MS, MT, ND, NE, NV, NH, NM, NC, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WA,WV, WI, and WY. Of the sixteen states which do not allow civilian ownership, CA, IA, KS, MA, MO, and MI allow class 3 dealers and class two manufacturers to possess removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors.

Removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors, like machine-guns, are proscribed under the National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934, and are regulated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. The procedure for owning a removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors may seem daunting at first, but actually requires less paperwork than buying an automobile. The buyer then has the chief law enforcement officer (Sheriff, Chief of Police, head of state police agency, district attorney, a judge with the power of arrest, or any other law enforcement officer approved for this procedure by the National Firearms Act branch of the BATF) sign the rear of the Form 4 attesting the prospective purchaser does not possess a criminal record and is not wanted. The two fingerprint cards must be completed and signed by a law enforcement agency. The completed paperwork is then sent to the Department of the Treasury with a check or money order for $200.00. The $200.00 is known as a transfer tax, as it must be paid each time ownership of the removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors is "transferred" (in this case, the dealer to the prospective purchaser). As long as the silencer is owned by the same person, the tax need not be paid again. Only if the owner sells it will a new transfer tax need to be paid. An owner may will his silencer to a lawful heir, with no tax incurred.

There is a another way; The non-revocable living trust. It skips all the LEO sign-off bull,fingerprinting, and is somewhat faster through ATF. It also allows you to let others use your NFA items as long as they are named in the trust paperwork. I did mine with quicken willmaker. Just waiting for my paperwork to clear for my SBR.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=17&t=199942

 

[03bamaGT]

Yea the new form 4 is pretty sweet haha...comes in handy sometimes.

 

[03bamaGT]

Price sent ffl?

I think it would be 299.99 plus shipping and your FFL dealers fee. Haven't sold one recently but I think that is the price. You could probably pick it up for the same price where you live and save on the shipping and dealer fee. Walther is pretty standard as far as prices go.

 

[flight doc89]

for practice, get a .22, either a ruger or AMT target pistol.

For defense, I vote for a Ruger Security Six. put .38's in it for the range, then load up .357's for defense

 

[03bamaGT]

Hmm...six shots vs. 6+1 out of the LCP and you can put the LCP in your back pocket and no one would know it was there. I like revolvers but unless you are wanting the S&W Airweight or Featherweight then it just isn't very practical.

The Ruger MKIII is a great shooting weapon. I have a MKII and MKIII(let us just say it is quieter then most) and I love them.

 

[Scot]

If you want a small carry/ conceal look at the Kel-Teks.... They come in 9m. Or you can kill two birds with one stone and get a Glock, you can get a .22 cal conversion kit for it. Lets you become familiar with the gun and shoot cheap cheap cheap ammo. They are als very nice guns....

 

[Dunckel]

If you want to know what it feels like to shoot a S&W feather weight .357, put your hand on a table, and hit it with a mallet a few times.

 

[webbs7mgte]

don't know the model number or anything but its the gun the LA swat teams carry . I got to fire it at a range its bad ass

 

[Dachande]

1. it's a magazine, and not a "clip"

2. glocks are not "very nice" guns :nono:

3. most of the guns mentioned already are great for carry

 

[Scot]

1. it's a magazine, and not a "clip"

2. glocks are not "very nice" guns :nono:

3. most of the guns mentioned already are great for carry

Enlighten me.... I use a H&K Compact USP 9 and Sig 380. But I shot a Glock 9last weekend and liked it... What are the negatives you speak of?

 

[Dunckel]

Explain "not very nice" guns. I don't like them either, but they are very good guns.

 

[03bamaGT]

1. it's a magazine, and not a "clip"

2. glocks are not "very nice" guns :nono:

3. most of the guns mentioned already are great for carry

Yep...clips are what girls put in their hair haha.

I hope you mean like not many features...Glock is a great gun...it hangs with the best of them. Hell a stock Glock won the S&W indoor light and laser invitational.

 

[Dachande]

I didn't say they weren't great shooters. I said they aren't "very nice". A very nice gun does not come from the factory with plastic sights that fall off randomly, or a craptastic trigger. They shoot every time you pull the trigger (hopefully it doesn't explode on you ), but I dislike the grip angle and trigger. I consider them a reliable "throw away" gun, but not "very nice".

 

[Nomad707]

i've shot a wide variety of guns.. just never got into them very much.. and probly won't. just looking for a good and small gun to carry on myself for protection.

im pretty much set with the walther p22.

i'm not looking for a handcannon that will blow a hole through someone, just something for protection for myself.

 

[03bamaGT]

Yea, the grip angle is a little bit different if you are not used to it. I haven't ever heard of anyone having one explode? Atleast around here. The trigger pull is a consistent 5.5 pounds which you will find on many handguns in that price range. Sometimes the safe-action makes the trigger a little scratchy. This isn't a competition gun or a target shooter. It is meant to fire everytime you want it to and does just that.

 

[Dachande]

i've shot a wide variety of guns.. just never got into them very much.. and probly won't. just looking for a good and small gun to carry on myself for protection.

im pretty much set with the walther p22.

i'm not looking for a handcannon that will blow a hole through someone, just something for protection for myself.

I own a P22, and while I know it's fully capable of killing a bad guy it is definitely not my go to gun. Shot placement is key, but if something happens who knows if you will hit them all ten times, once, or zero? It's getting cold where I live. If someone broke in and was wearing a heavy coat and layers to stay warm I am not 100% sure my shots are even going to get maximum penetration or even penetrate what the bad guy might be wearing. There are a lot better choices with a more capable caliber around the same size as a P22. JHP 9mm has come a long way and really packs a punch.
On the P22: Very reliable, and accurate out of the box. I prefer the magazines with the pinky extension over the flush base ones. The safety is a pain in the ass compared to other handguns with external safeties. The magazines only hold 10 rounds of .22 You can buy a 12 round magazine follower for a few bucks, but the slide will not lock back on the last round. This is a big downside to me. If you're hell bent on buying one you had better put a heavier grain bullet in it then your regular .22 bullet.

 

[Dachande]

Yea, the grip angle is a little bit different if you are not used to it. I haven't ever heard of anyone having one explode? Atleast around here. The trigger pull is a consistent 5.5 pounds which you will find on many handguns in that price range. Sometimes the safe-action makes the trigger a little scratchy. This isn't a competition gun or a target shooter. It is meant to fire everytime you want it to and does just that.

I am used to it, and I don't like it. I don't prefer the trigger to other guns of similar quality. There are lots of pictures of exploded glocks on google image. I'd still own one, but it wouldn't be my first choice.

 

[03bamaGT]

That is why I suggested the LCP .380.

Just wondering...in the price range of 500ish which would you have? New I mean.