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noel

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so my research has led me to believe that mk3's can put something more powerful then a 80amp alternator. Driftmotion sales one that outputs 120amp is there any customization needed for this?
Is there some other place to purchase such a powerful alternator

I need a anlternator and want more power then 80amp
 

NewWestSupras

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You can use a 100 amp alternator from a 1991 MR2, with power steering, it's pretty much plug and play with the exception of a pulley change, and you have to modify the fastener iirc.
 

MarkIII4Me

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I purchased a 130amp alt from Grand rebuilders off of ebay for $89 shipped.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyo...002QQitemZ120428759406QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Then purchased a 48mm pulley from QuickStart

http://store.alternatorparts.com/partno242250.aspx

and had the rear lip machined down to fit. This should give a decent amperage boost at idle.

All and all with parts and machine work, only dished out $150 for everything. So price and performance wise I'd say this is the way to go :icon_bigg
 

mkIIIman089

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Powerhouse Racing used to offer one for our car, 150 amp, IIRC, was available. They seemed to stop carrying them online but you may still be able to get one if you call.

It will cost more than most people allocate for a complete engine rebuild on their MKIII.
 

noel

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MarkIII4Me;1334015 said:
I purchased a 130amp alt from Grand rebuilders off of ebay for $89 shipped.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyo...002QQitemZ120428759406QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Then purchased a 48mm pulley from QuickStart

http://store.alternatorparts.com/partno242250.aspx

and had the rear lip machined down to fit. This should give a decent amperage boost at idle.

All and all with parts and machine work, only dished out $150 for everything. So price and performance wise I'd say this is the way to go :icon_bigg

how do you actually know it's 130amp alternator besides what ebay tells u?

and what do u mean you had to machine down the rear lip???? pics?? why did u have to buy the 48mm pulley??? sounds like a cool upgrade
 

MarkIII4Me

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noel;1334602 said:
how do you actually know it's 130amp alternator besides what ebay tells u?

Well, I don't; and ebay didn't tell me it was, Grand Rebuilder's did. I spoke with them on the phone and the rep stated that the cores are rewound with more wire providing higher output than oem (weird thing is the alt is roughly 30% smaller than my factory one). When I asked about other rebuilders selling alt's advertised as 160amp output he stated that Grand Rebuilder's rewire the alt's as large as possible (which apparenlty is 130amp). The higher amperage rebuilt alt's out there must be rated without a load. His 130amp alts are rated under load. Now this may all be a total crock, but $89 shipped for a rebuilt alt is a good deal no matter what it outputs.



noel;1334602 said:
and what do u mean you had to machine down the rear lip???? pics?? why did u have to buy the 48mm pulley??? sounds like a cool upgrade


I did not "have" to buy the smaller pulley; I simply did. I was told that alternators peak outputs are rated at a fairly high rpm (6500rpm or something). The factory alternator maybe puts out like 10amps at idle. The higher output ones do something like 12-15amps at idle. To combat this, if you go with a smaller than factory pulley, the alternator spins faster at idle producing more output at lower rpm's. The downside is that the alternator spin faster at higher rpm's and therefore can damage the alternator (they begin to self destruct at around 16000rpm's). The way I see it, I won't be in the higher rpm's for prolonged amounts of time and if the alt dies, they're only $89 and 15min to replace.

As far as the pulley is concerned, I looked all over the place for a compatible 48mm pulley for our alts. Well, there is none. However, the pulley off of a 81-88 Mercury is damn close. The only issue is the rear lip is too thick pushing the belt forward just a bit (not a big deal), but the contact point of the pulley to alternator is several mm to shallow and therefore the pulley just rests on the cover (not good for performance, but the sparkshow is awesome). Originally I was going to place a washer on the alternator's stud to resolve this, however, then the front of the pulley becomes too shallow for the nut to thread on the bolt and the pulley is now even farther forward then before. The solution:

p1334906_1.jpg


Kills two birds with one stone. Not only increases the depth of the pulley's contact surface, but also reduces the thickness of the rear lip, making the pulley fit the alternator perfectly and placing the belt at the correct angle. Any machine shop with an ounce of skills should be able to knock this out for you in under 30 minutes. I don't have the exact dimensions that need to be shaved off, but if you leave the shop the alternator then they should be able to figure it out.


I am not a technitian, nor have I had a chance to run this alternator. Currently it is just test fit and appears to bolt-up just fine, however, real world output and reliability is unknown.

p1334906_2.jpg


Don't ask about the alt position. Currently waiting on the lower adjustment bracket from Seth. :biglaugh:


That's all the info I can provide. Hope someone finds this useful.
 

jetjock

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Let us know how it turns out. While the smaller pulley thing does work everything else I know about alternators tells me you've been taken for a ride. Did they provide a test graph with the unit as is customary? I'm guessing no...
 

MarkIII4Me

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jetjock;1334929 said:
Did they provide a test graph with the unit as is customary? I'm guessing no...

Ha! Yeah right. They didn't provide any documentation on the unit. I'm sure it'll output the factory 80amps at the very least. My OEM alternator has been sitting in a parts pile for the last 5 years and it dirty as all hell, so I'm happy just to get a clean functioning alternator for $89. Plus, with such high feedback it is hard to believe that these would be poor quality units.

jetjock, any idea why this rebuilt alt is so much smaller than the factory alternator? I'm fairly certain that the unit that was previously on my car was a Supra OEM. I'll have to check the part number one of these days.

If someone wants to call Grand Rebuilders out on BS output specs, they can be reached at (800) 410-0457.

I'd do it myself, however, I haven't had the new alternator's output tested. Where can I get this done?
 

noel

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MarkIII4Me;1334906 said:
Well, I don't; and ebay didn't tell me it was, Grand Rebuilder's did. I spoke with them on the phone and the rep stated that the cores are rewound with more wire providing higher output than oem (weird thing is the alt is roughly 30% smaller than my factory one). When I asked about other rebuilders selling alt's advertised as 160amp output he stated that Grand Rebuilder's rewire the alt's as large as possible (which apparenlty is 130amp). The higher amperage rebuilt alt's out there must be rated without a load. His 130amp alts are rated under load. Now this may all be a total crock, but $89 shipped for a rebuilt alt is a good deal no matter what it outputs.






I did not "have" to buy the smaller pulley; I simply did. I was told that alternators peak outputs are rated at a fairly high rpm (6500rpm or something). The factory alternator maybe puts out like 10amps at idle. The higher output ones do something like 12-15amps at idle. To combat this, if you go with a smaller than factory pulley, the alternator spins faster at idle producing more output at lower rpm's. The downside is that the alternator spin faster at higher rpm's and therefore can damage the alternator (they begin to self destruct at around 16000rpm's). The way I see it, I won't be in the higher rpm's for prolonged amounts of time and if the alt dies, they're only $89 and 15min to replace.

As far as the pulley is concerned, I looked all over the place for a compatible 48mm pulley for our alts. Well, there is none. However, the pulley off of a 81-88 Mercury is damn close. The only issue is the rear lip is too thick pushing the belt forward just a bit (not a big deal), but the contact point of the pulley to alternator is several mm to shallow and therefore the pulley just rests on the cover (not good for performance, but the sparkshow is awesome). Originally I was going to place a washer on the alternator's stud to resolve this, however, then the front of the pulley becomes too shallow for the nut to thread on the bolt and the pulley is now even farther forward then before.

p1334948_1.jpg


Kills two birds with one stone. Not only increases the depth of the pulley's contact surface, but also reduces the thickness of the rear lip, making the pulley fit the alternator perfectly and placing the belt at the correct angle. Any machine shop with an ounce of skills should be able to knock this out for you in under 30 minutes. I don't have the exact dimensions that need to be shaved off, but if you leave the shop the alternator then they should be able to figure it out.


I am not a technitian, nor have I had a chance to run this alternator. Currently it is just test fit and appears to bolt-up just fine, however, real world output and reliability is unknown.

p1334948_2.jpg


Don't ask about the alt position. Currently waiting on the lower adjustment bracket from Seth. :biglaugh:


That's all the info I can provide. Hope someone finds this useful.

WOW ! lots of info. Great Thinking! very helpful. i was gonna say why is your alt. so far out! lol:biglaugh:
The only thing that doesnt sit right with me is that the reliability of this upgrade is UKNOWN and never been TESted:3d_frown:. Everything sounds like it would work but you can never be to sure..... Any Other ideas on how to get a more powerful Alternator?
 

jetjock

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Yeah, check to see if it still has a Denso number but since they've screwed with it I'm unsure how helpful it'll be. As you alluded to increased output rating of an alternator is closely related to physical size. It's simply the nature of the beast. For an alternator claiming to be nearly twice the stock rating I'd have been suspicious even if it remained the stock size but 30% smaller? Something is powerful queer about that. Then there's the issue of cost. $89? Ah well, as you said it should at least put out the stock rating

You can have it tested at an auto store or do it yourself on the car using one of those cheapie $25 carbon pile battery testers. Since they'll load several hundred amps you have to be careful not to let things get out of hand though. And when doing the pulley thing one has to be careful it isn't small enough that it'll result in the alternator's maximum rated speed at WOT being exceeded. They tend to come apart when that happens. At least a smaller alternator is better in that regard. Me thinks the pulley you bought will be OK however...
 

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i have a ford taurus alternator that is 130amp... it looks like it would fit a 7mgte but with some mods.. pm me if u want mroe info. its got a 6 rib pulley, i was going to use it with my 1uz but i found out my stock one is 120amp and is smaller i'll get rid of it for $37 shipped (assuming it fits in a flat rate box)
 

ABNPayne

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Old post, but great info. I just snagged a 100A Bosch Reman (AL3234X) for 109.00!!
NewWestSupras;1333269 said:
You can use a 100 amp alternator from a 1991 MR2, with power steering, it's pretty much plug and play with the exception of a pulley change, and you have to modify the fastener iirc.