PCV Modification w/ffim

adampecush

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I've put a MK4 manifold on my car (along with a Q45 throttle body) and would like to retain some sort of semblance to the stock PCV system. At the current time, I'm not using any catch cans or anything fancy like that.

My problem is that the q45 throttle body is obviously not set up to handle PCV like the 7m-GTE TB. (I.E. there is no port with orifice).

My current solution is to make use of the 1/8 BSPT port on the intake manifold and install a PCV valve (from a DSM, which happens to be the only PCV valve I could find with a similar thread pattern). This is a sprung PCV valve which seems to act as a check valve over a certain pressure (likely a few psi).

I understand that the orifice (which, for the record, is approximately 2mm in diameter) in the 7m-gte TB acts as it should, restricting flow in both directions. I did a quick and dirty blow test (yeah, thats right) to compare the flow of the pcv port on the GTE TB with the flow of the PCV valve and they seem relatively similar, so I think I'm in the clear here.

My question is, will this system suffice? I know I'm eliminating the pcv system from seeing boost at elevated manifold pressures (>~5 psi), but I'm thinking (nothing to back this up of course) that the pressure drop caused by the turbo should be able to handle the task of evacuating the crankcase vapors under these conditions just fine.

I considered using the large vac port off the intake manifold (8mm ID IIRC) and plumbing in a check valve, but this would likely result in a higher-than-desired idle.

Anybody have a good reason I shouldn't do this?

Adam
 

adampecush

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yeah, I thought the 1/8 was pretty small too, until I grabbed a flash light and had a look at the orifice. If it doesn't work that well, I suppose I can still machine a fitting with an orifice in it to mimic the stock setup...
 

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adampecush;1360648 said:
yeah, I thought the 1/8 was pretty small too, until I grabbed a flash light and had a look at the orifice. If it doesn't work that well, I suppose I can still machine a fitting with an orifice in it to mimic the stock setup...

Did you ask IJ how big his fitting is?
 

adampecush

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Don't sweat it. I'm going to go with this fitting for now and measure the crankcase vac when the car is running. While the valve was from a 2L engine, even if it doesn't flow as much as the stock set-up, it isn't going to be pressurizing the manifold (as our system design sort of limits that).

Edit: I did a little bit more research on the PCV valve last night and it seems that it is installed on the DSM engine opposite from how I will be installing it (which at first concerned me). That is, on the DSM, the valve will close under conditions of high vacuum associated with idle, but remain open at all other times. Flipped around, the valve closes under moderate boost, which is exactly what I'm looking for. I verified the valve's operation with a lab vacuum source and all is well.
 
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I use the Q45tb and to keep the throttle from speeding up from the built in heat stove I removed the heat dash pot plunger. I plumbed air to a catch can from the original pcv harpipe. The hose that is in between the PCV hard pipe, and the catch can has a PCV check valve. The other port on the catch can goes to a vacuum port off of the FFI.


http://www.cardomain.com/ride/571789/19

I have two functional pcv catch cans that really work. My intake and my FFI are always clean.
 

adampecush

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hoochiemama...

(thats the pcv valve on the left and the -6 to -10 adapter I just had machined up for me)

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