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loki2043

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i added 2 quarts and its all good now.. still dosent go past the 40. but then again im pretty close to an oil change. ill prolly buy an aftermarket guage here soon just in case.
 

mkIIIman089

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LOL, 2 quarts...

I don't know how long you've had it in there but losing that much sounds scary to me since you don't know where its going, or even that it was going anywhere to begin with.
 

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mkIIIman089 said:
LOL, 2 quarts...

I don't know how long you've had it in there but losing that much sounds scary to me since you don't know where its going, or even that it was going anywhere to begin with.

the dipstick was close to full. so i added a quart and that made it full...then i added another as most people say to do.
 

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billspreston01 said:
well...the book says like 4.3 quarts of oil when you do an oil/filter change...I always end up putting about 5 1/2 quarts in to hit the full mark on my dipstick......odd isn't it
for the 7m-gte it's supposed to be 4.7 quarts, and somewhere close to 5 1/2 w/ a filter change too
 

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Adjuster said:
I ran one quart over what's reccomended on a stock motor all the time. On my non-stock stroker motor, the minimum is 10 quarts, and it can hold 12 without foaming or problems.

So, run 6 quarts of oil in your 7MGTE all the time. Also run nice and thick oil. I run Rotella T Synthtic, and I belive it's either 10/40 or 5/40 and made for long running semi trucks that put 500,000 miles on each oil change, and run the engines for millions of miles between rebuilds. (Controling the water in the oil and filtration is key to doing this. Also regular testing of the oil, or you can just change this oil two times a year, and your fine as long as you use WIX, Purolator or NAPA filters. NO FRAM filters, they are crap paper, and don't filter very well at all.)

If you can swing the money, get a remote oil filter setup from Canton racing. (They use a non-bypassing depth filter v/s cheap disposable paper filters that don't stop particles that cause wear.) Canton also sells spin on adapters so you can use depth filters in a "spin" on type housing. Figure 130.00 for this setup and some filters, but it stops particles in your oil down to 8 microns where the paper filters stop stuff in the 20 to 40 micron range. Wear is caused by anything larger than 10 microns...
hm... where would i find this... specifically the adaptor and filter... i already have a oil relocate kit from horsepowerfreaks.com, but it uses the spin on type
 

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89jdm7m said:
for the 7m-gte it's supposed to be 4.7 quarts, and somewhere close to 5 1/2 w/ a filter change too

My TSRM says 4.2 with filter, 3.9 without. In US quarts. This is an 87 TSRM. I see the online one is different but still not what you claim. Seems we're all close though depending on the model year and manuals. Run one more just for grins ;)
 
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haha, i just remember that from my hane's manual... that's about the only thing i've used it for so far... checking oil vis. for diff. and amount of oil for oil change
 

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The 91-92 dipsticks are easier to read and you can order them from Toyota relatively cheap. This is what I did as my near 20 year old dipstick was very hard to read. When researching mk3's I read that 91-92 dipsticks were altered to better read so I bought one and they are! Also you could take a file and file straight line where the full mark is or maybe slightly below it so you don't overfill. This way the oil would set in the full mark where it's filed. That's what I did before I went and bought the 92 dipstick.
 

Adjuster

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Hi Jetjock.
Where did you get the info on the Rotella T Synthtic oil being not a pure synthtic oil? (What I've read before says it is, and was compared to MobileOne, Delvac Synthtic and some others, and it came out tops price to quality wise.) I also use it in my KTM bike with no problems, but used MobileOne before that. I've used MobileOne in my cars for many, many years, always the 15/50 stuff, all winter long, no problems. Always used Wix/Napa/Purolator filters when I was not using the Canton stuff.
I agree the canton filter appears small, but it is the nicest filter setup for full flow I've seen in a automotive application.
I looked at the TP bypass filter, and ended up going with the OilGuard as I think it is built better than most TP units, and I don't mind paying a few bucks for a replacment filter v/s the price of a roll of TP.
Here is my oil filter setup. (Oil guard where the Evap canister used to reside, and the larger Canton/Mecca one on the apron.)
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As far as dry starts go... There are none on my Supra :)
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JJ, the dipstick thing is real. My 90T was impossible to read except when cold and then only in bright light. It is the most complicated dipstick ever with a wire cable that is swaged to a shiny gold colored bullet. I imagine they spent serious development money coming up with this design. The color alone makes it impossible to tell what is going on with clean oil, and the "bullet" has not single flat surface to reflect when held up to the light. I replaced it with a later version and it is much better. I suspect Toyota made several dipsticks over the life of the MKIII. Yours was apparently a much better version!


jetjock said:
Couple of thoughts. First, I've never understood this dipstick thing. Mine has never been hard to read. It's a dipstick, you pull it out and look
at the oil. I don't get it.
 

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Hi Adjuster. Nice setup you've got there. You didn't mention you had an oil guard and accusump so the minor differences we sahre are gone. The OG is indeed a good filter. I'm just too cheap to pay for the elements. That said it's obvious you know how to care for an engine.

I'm confused about the Rotella. I was under the impression you were running Rotella 5-40. If so I'm amost positive that's a Group III hydrocracked oil ie; a highly refined dino. It's chemistry bears no resemblance to the PAO Group IV "real" synthetic Mobil One, an oil I've never used because it has a few things about it I dislike. Thats a personally preference however. Don't get me wrong though, Rotella is a great oil. I run either Group IV, V, or a blend of the two. The V is either ester or a GTL based oil such as Pennzoil Platinum. I'm currently running German Castrol Syntec 0-30 which is a true IV and V blend. The regular Castrol Syntec comes in a nearly identical bottle but is a Group III so it pays to be aware of the details.

As the site you linked to pointed out the "fake" synthetic thing comes from a court case where Castrol replaced PAO with Group III in their synthetics. Mobil sued over them continuing to use the word synthetic but Castrol won. Therefore a great many of the oils on the market today that are labeled synthetic are in reality Group III. They perform nearly as well as true syns but are cheaper to produce and sell.

It really comes down to what one considers synthetic and what's not but Rotella 5-40, as good as it is, comes out of the ground. To me and many others that doesn't qualify as a syn. Fwiw the USA is the only country that permits such oil labeling shenanigans. It's illegal in Europe for example. The Rotella 15-40 is, I believe, a Group II but is also a fine oil and is popular with bikers. Rotella has a website and a forum btw.

*edit* Oops, just saw your oil mod thread. Missed it before. Beautiful work. My apologies...I now see I'm dealing with a pro ;).


3P: Several guys have told me off list the dipstick thing is real but I'm still confused. I've heard the later dipsticks were gold colored and hard to read but I've also been told the later ones are better and should be used. So it appears there is a real issue somewhere in there. All I can say is the stick on my 87 is black and I've never had any problem reading it. Because my engine uses no oil I don't check the oil often though (about once a month). I also go a very long time between changes. But when I do mess check it's not difficult to read the stick at all. Go figure.
 
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Looks like they changed the design around 1989 to the crappy one, then fixed it later for the 91-92 years. I have both designs. The newer one is silver and has a more matte like finish that makes it easier to see than the older shiny gold style.

PS How does the oil pressure sender work? Its completely passive so the pulse generation must be a mechanical thing.
 
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