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williamb82

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well, had a court date yesterday. i got 4 citations for animals not having their rabies shots awhile back. problem is only 1 of them was mine. the other three were my brothers and sister in laws. well, i got the shots for my dog. went to court and showed proof. still got fined $135 since i didnt have it done in the first 15 days. ok, it sucked but fine. thing that i dont get and am going to apeal is that my sis in law was with me and told the judge the other 3 animals were hers. also, she told the animal control guy that when he was writing me the citations. she offered her license for her animals and he refused it and i got all 4. so i know there has to be something that i can do to get out of this. those animals dont even live here anymore. they live in brooksville where my bro was moving to. also, it isnt my house. its my fathers so im not the homeowner.

if theres any lawyers here that has some info for me please help or pm me if you can go to court with me. i know it wont be free but i aint tryin to pay $1000 in fines for animals that arnt mine. its total bs. this is in hillsborough county fl. if it matters a whole lot. tia
william
 

onefstsupra89

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well the good thing about this is that your insurance won't go up.....lmao i think it would be alot cheaper if you get your bro and your sis inlaw to pay for 3 of the 4 citations and call it the day. either of you will have to get a lawyer and cough up alot of cash for a citation that does not carry jail time or will ruin your record.
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williamb82

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i dont have the cash and either do they. their citations came to $987 usd. thats a lot of frakin money that they dont have to reemburse me. and i dont have it to start with. and from what they said if i dont pay they will pass judgment against me. not entirly sure what that means but sounds like ill go to jail for soem fucking animals that arnt even mine. makes no sense to me.
 

williamb82

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they cant, the animals are no longer there. they moved and took the animals wit hthem. i couldnt do that anyway, my neices would have never forgave me for that
 

williamb82

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i dont think you guys realise how serious this crap is. these assholes are fucking me out of a grand, and if i dont pay it in less then 2 months im fucked and prolly goin to jail, and its a bullshit charge for animals that arnt mine and i have already proved they arnt mine to he court. thing is it wasnt a judge at the hearing, it was a "special master" so i am filing for an exception. i know i can beat this but i need help to do so. im not a lawyer. i dont want to end up in jail for something that i had no control over in the first place. not my property or animals. its a fucked up law system we have.
 

bwest

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on a serious note, there are civil lawyers that 'donate' their time and advice to situations where individuals do not have the $$ to hire for council. While they will not go to court with you, they could give you some sound advice.

While I don't know exactly where to look for you situation, I would imagine the local BAR assocation might be a good place to start for some direction. I guess my first question would be what brought the animals to the attention of the cops and why the owners they are registered to didn't get the fine (since its their responsibility).

Good Luck, and yes, the court system can be a pain in the ass sometimes...
 

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onefstsupra89 said:
well the good thing about this is that your insurance won't go up.....lmao i think it would be alot cheaper if you get your bro and your sis inlaw to pay for 3 of the 4 citations and call it the day. either of you will have to get a lawyer and cough up alot of cash for a citation that does not carry jail time or will ruin your record.
<<<Former Police Officer>>>
wow... you're in winston salem.... i used to live in greensboro, but welcome anyhow... i'm going to college in va beach now
 

williamb82

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heres the ordinance stating punishment for the ordinance i supposedly viloated. i think ill get off withthis and documented proof the aimals are my brothers. gonna print this and the ordinacne i violated so i can argue my case. guy said reason im responsible is because i signed the citations yet this clearly states that if i had refused its a 2nd deg misdimeanor. so i didnt have a choice. also, read the definition of control. i didnt have "control" of the animals in any way according to that. i think ill be ok but proly out the cash to get his animals registered to him so i can prove they are his in writing. im gonna do some more research at the law library monday when im off work cause i only work a half day on mondays. going to file the exception first, then go to the law library. they think im a dumbass cause i said i didnt read the citations entirly before signing. they gonna learn i know how to do homework.




828.27 Local animal control or cruelty ordinances; penalty.

(1) As used in this section, the term:

(a) "Animal" means any living dumb creature.

(b) "Animal control officer" means any person employed or appointed by a county or municipality who is authorized to investigate, on public or private property, civil infractions relating to animal control or cruelty and to issue citations as provided in this section. An animal control officer is not authorized to bear arms or make arrests; however, such officer may carry a device to chemically subdue and tranquilize an animal, provided that such officer has successfully completed a minimum of 16 hours of training in marksmanship, equipment handling, safety and animal care, and can demonstrate proficiency in chemical immobilization of animals in accordance with guidelines prescribed in the Chemical Immobilization Operational Guide of the American Humane Association.

(c) "Control" means the regulation of the possession, ownership, care, and custody of animals.

(d) "Cruelty" means any act of neglect, torture, or torment that causes unjustifiable pain or suffering of an animal.

(e) "Officer" means any law enforcement officer defined in s. 943.10 or any animal control officer.

(f) "Citation" means a written notice, issued to a person by an officer, that the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed a civil infraction in violation of a duly enacted ordinance and that the county court will hear the charge. The citation must contain:

1. The date and time of issuance.
2. The name and address of the person.
3. The date and time the civil infraction was committed.
4. The facts constituting probable cause.
5. The ordinance violated.
6. The name and authority of the officer.
7. The procedure for the person to follow in order to pay the civil penalty, to contest the citation, or to appear in court as required under 1subsection (5).
8. The applicable civil penalty if the person elects to contest the citation.
9. The applicable civil penalty if the person elects not to contest the citation.
10. A conspicuous statement that if the person fails to pay the civil penalty within the time allowed, or fails to appear in court to contest the citation, the person shall be deemed to have waived his or her right to contest the citation and that, in such case, judgment may be entered against the person for an amount up to the maximum civil penalty.
11. A conspicuous statement that if the person is required to appear in court as mandated by 1subsection (5), he or she does not have the option of paying a fine in lieu of appearing in court.

(g) "Ordinance" means any ordinance relating to the control of or cruelty to animals enacted by the governing body of a county or municipality the violation of which is a civil infraction.

(2) The governing body of a county or municipality is authorized to enact ordinances relating to animal control or cruelty, which ordinances must provide:

(a) That a violation of such an ordinance is a civil infraction.

(b) A maximum civil penalty not to exceed $500.

(c) A civil penalty of less than the maximum civil penalty if the person who has committed the civil infraction does not contest the citation.

(d) For the issuance of a citation by an officer who has probable cause to believe that a person has committed an act in violation of an ordinance.

(e) For the contesting of a citation in the county court.

(f) That, if a person fails to pay the civil penalty, fails to appear in court to contest the citation, or fails to appear in court as required by 1subsection (5), the court may issue an order to show cause upon the request of the governing body of the county or municipality. This order shall require such persons to appear before the court to explain why action on the citation has not been taken. If any person who is issued such order fails to appear in response to the court's directive, that person may be held in contempt of court.

(g) Such procedures and provisions as are necessary to implement any ordinances enacted under the authority of this section.

(3) The commission of a charged infraction at a hearing authorized pursuant to this chapter must be proven by a preponderance of the evidence.

(4)

(a)

1. County-employed animal control officers shall, and municipally employed animal control officers may, successfully complete a 40-hour minimum standards training course. Such course shall include, but is not limited to, training for: animal cruelty investigations, search and seizure, animal handling, courtroom demeanor, and civil citations. The course curriculum must be approved by the Florida Animal Control Association. An animal control officer who successfully completes such course shall be issued a certificate indicating that he or she has received a passing grade.

2. Any animal control officer who is authorized prior to January 1, 1990, by a county or municipality to issue citations is not required to complete the minimum standards training course.

3. In order to maintain valid certification, every 2 years each certified county-employed animal control officer shall complete 4 hours of postcertification continuing education training. Such training may include, but is not limited to, training for: animal cruelty investigations, search and seizure, animal handling, courtroom demeanor, and civil citations.

(b) The governing body of a county or municipality may impose and collect a surcharge of up to $5 upon each civil penalty imposed for violation of an ordinance relating to animal control or cruelty. The proceeds from such surcharges shall be used to pay the costs of training for animal control officers.

(5) Any person who willfully refuses to sign and accept a citation issued by an officer is guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

(6) The governing body of a county or municipality may require mandatory court appearances for certain aggravated violations of a local ordinance resulting in the unprovoked biting, attacking, or wounding of a domestic animal; violations resulting in the destruction or loss of personal property; second or subsequent violations of local animal cruelty laws; or violations resulting in the issuance of a third or subsequent citation to a person. The citation must clearly inform the person of the mandatory court appearance. The governing body of the county or municipality shall maintain records to prove the number of citations issued to the person. Persons required to appear in court do not have the option of paying the fine instead of appearing in court.

(7) Nothing contained in this section shall prevent any county or municipality from enacting any ordinance relating to animal control or cruelty which is identical to the provisions of this chapter or any other state law, except as to penalty. However, no county or municipal ordinance relating to animal control or cruelty shall conflict with the provisions of this chapter or any other state law.

History.--s. 1, ch. 86-96; s. 1, ch. 89-108; s. 43, ch. 91-110; s. 204, ch. 91-224; s. 2, ch. 91-228; s. 6, ch. 94-339; s. 1289, ch. 97-102.
1Note.--Redesignated as subsection (6) by s. 6, ch. 94-339.