My Oil cooler Set-up - Opinions Please

[Nghty89]

Ok, so I finished my n/a chassis with a gte swap. Now I need a good oil cooler system. I have read the sticky and I really like the remote oil cooler idea. Here are my planned parts and prices:

1) N/A filter stud - No cost, have one laying around

2) Perma Cool 111 adapter. $12
http://www.jegs.com/i/Perma-Cool/771/111/10002/-1

3) Perma Cool 1791 remote filter adapter. $25
http://www.jegs.com/i/Perma-Cool/771/1791/10002/-1

4) Mocal remote oil cooler thermostat. $110
http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/product/1559/Mocal_Remote_Oil_Thermostat

5) Derale remote oil cooler core. $55
http://www.jegs.com/i/Derale/259/15300/10002/-1?parentProductId=961947

6) Still debating on a good oil filter to use.

Now, my only problem is that I have never worked with stainless lines or making a system like this before. Does anyone have any suggestions on where/what to buy that would work for this and be nice and pretty? I'm focusing on form and function.

Oh, I also plan on using one of these for my oil psi and temp gauge:

http://prosportgauges.com/oil-filter-adaptor-plate.aspx

The use of this sandwhich plate, if I am thinking correctly, would possibly eliminate the need for the N/A oil stud.

If anyone has any good ideas or alternatives, please chime in.

Again, this thread is for me to keep track of ideas and prices and for other people to do the same, since I had no idea what sort of price I was looking at total.

This system, depending on lines, could easily cost $225-275, which is great for what it does. Then add in the adapter plate and oil psi/temp gauges and it will be closer to $350-400. Still a great price for the set up.


Now I just need to figure out a good way to put my gauges on the hood... :naughty:

 

[jdub]

I moved this to the General section for more visibility - plus, most of this is already in the oil cooler sticky in the Lube section.

Your part list pretty much mirrors the sticky. I would opt for a stacked plate cooler like the B&M vs the tube/fin design of the Derale you linked to. The stacked plate cooler are more efficient and less susceptible to FOD damage.

The ProSport sandwich adapter will not replace the NA stud, nor the Permacool block adapter. This adapter is used for routing lines to a cooler and keeping the filter in the stock location. It would be a very tight fit and you would not use a remote filter head.

I would use the stock oil pressure gauge sensor location for pressure - it will tell you what the bearings are actually seeing pressure wise. For oil temp, a simple T fitting will work fine - you want to locate it on the return line from the cooler to the block so you can see oil temp being fed to the motor.

Use a Wix (or NAPA Gold - same thing) filter. A Canton Racing cartridge filter is very good, but on the expensive side. If you use a dual filter head vs the single you linked to, you can install a Trasko bypass filter in addition to the conventional full flow. A Trasko filters down to 1 micron.

Dump the stainless line idea and go with push-lock hose. Summit and AeroQuip make excellent hose of this type...it is very easy to cut and install fitings. Stainless will abrade anything it rubs against and it conducts electricity - a great way to ground out electrical components and start a fire. Go with -10 lines if at all possible to provide max flow, but -8 will work.

 

[Nghty89]

I figured it might be moved since yes, it is a close copy of the sticky thread. Like I said, it's for me to keep track and others to chime in lol

But you, sir, are the man. Thank you for the information! So pushlock hose it is. And -10 as well. Plus the stacked plate cooler. Do it once, do it right.

What size thread/fitting is the stock oil psi location? And how would I use a t-fitting for the oil temp? I am currently searching on this, but I figure asking as well wont hurt. Thanks in advance!

Edit: So one of these is a definite -
http://www.bmracing.com/PRODUCTS/Un...al-SuperCooler-rated-at-20-500-BTU-11x8x1-1-2

 

[Nghty89]

I also found this:

http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=1227

An in-line adapter for the oil temp sender. I am trying to make this install as easy and professional as possible, so anything that does not require hacking or tying in is good. This would also allow easy relocation to another vehicle in the future if necessary, not that the system would be hard to move in the first place.

Edit: That may also allow us to use an aftermarket gauge with the stock system with minor modification

 

[TurboStreetCar]

For oil temp, a simple T fitting will work fine - you want to locate it on the return line from the cooler to the block so you can see oil temp being fed to the motor.

Wouldn't you want oil temperature pre oil cooler (in the pan for example) to gauge the temperature of the internal components? would tell if things are getting too hot somewhere and if the oil is doing its job.

This is something i was wondering as i was going to be getting around to a oil temp gauge sometime in the near future. Could use some input.

 

[jdub]

Wouldn't you want oil temperature pre oil cooler (in the pan for example) to gauge the temperature of the internal components? would tell if things are getting too hot somewhere and if the oil is doing its job.

This is something i was wondering as i was going to be getting around to a oil temp gauge sometime in the near future. Could use some input.

That would only give you a very general idea, but what you are saying has validity. What I want to see is the condition of the oil itself...i.e. is the oil at ops temp (90-100 deg C) as it flows to the motor. Also, measuring temps from the cooler will tell you how well it's doing it's job.

 

[Nghty89]

Well, you could always run a before and after gauge. :naughty:

 

[jdub]

Well, you could always run a before and after gauge. :naughty:

A bit anally retentive, but I like the way you think

 

[TurboStreetCar]

I see the point of monitoring after cooler temps because you can monitor cooler performance. I guess that is the more important place to see. If the oil is over heated before the cooler, you're going to want to look after the cooler to see the end result. Monitoring after the cooler would be directly what you want to know.

I guess when i get ready to do this, im going post cooler. Thanks JDub!

 

[SupraRon]

If using the stock oil cooler, is there any benefit to changing the old, worn out hoses? Would a hose like this work?

Rubber covered with high tensile strength steel wire reinforcing
Temperature range -40 to 100 C (-40 to 212 F)
Wire braiding allows the hose to retain flexibility plus withstand high pressures and rough usage
Manufactured and tested to SAE 100 R2 specifications
Increased flexibility for a smaller bend radius
High visibility yellow lay line
Max. continuous pressure: 3,980 PSI
Min. bend radius: 3.2"

 

[Nghty89]

Eh, I'd rather go with push-lock hose that has a higher rated temp. 212F seems a bit low to me...

 

[jdub]

You want hose rated at 350 deg F minimum.

 

[SupraRon]

K. Thanks. Wasn't sure about the temp. rating.

 

[Moy]

jdub, will 300*F rated hose be sufficient? That is the highest rating I have been able to find (in my limited searches anyways). That rating was found on Aeroquip hose

 

[3p141592654]

100R2AT hose is for high pressure hydraulic systems. Not what you want.

 

[ValgeKotkas]

So what pressures would I be seeing if pressure sensor would be put in line with the cooler line? (NA-T setup and turbo oil comes from stock pressure sensor location)

 

[IJ.]

So what pressures would I be seeing if pressure sensor would be put in line with the cooler line? (NA-T setup and turbo oil comes from stock pressure sensor location)

Full flow system or stock type bypass?

 

[ValgeKotkas]

Full flow.
I could find a T for the stock location, but I already bought the fitting with a hole for the sensor, just in case.
Too bad that I already bought braided hose and fittings for it Have to find a way to route them safely.

 

[IJ.]

Pressure "should" read the same but may have a slight lag to it compared to the sensor being block mounted.

 

[supradjza80]

would there be any problem going with a full flow oil cooler circuit but still using the factory oil cooler? For me I think this would work fine as I just want the oil pressure increase and thermostatically controlled circuit, but just want to see if I am maybe missing something.