my no spark fix for those wondering

[liftedtoy97]

Those of you that read my post of my no spark issue or check engine light issue and read how jetjock(god) told me exactly what my problem was(that I needed a new ecu...absolutely nothing else) and belittled me when I threw in another idea as seen here..

"Before you become dead to me what I told you *does* have to be the problem. While this may be rocket science to you it's near intuitively obvious for someone of my skill level. And did you think the TRSM being in agreement was some kind of ooga-booga? Your problem for me is equivalent to someone asking you why a tire is flat. One does not have to be God or even an angel which, as you're finding out, I'm not. What I am is not the one with a broken car.

I told you what it must be. I pointed you to the factory diagnostic path for the exact symptom and then followed up with a detailed explanation. What more did you want, your hand held? Not gonna happen. Nor should you go off on tangents. If you're unwilling to accept the advice of someone more knowledgeable (let alone the board's electrical/ECU SME and the service manual) then you shouldn't solicit it.

That's it, off with your head. Nice goin' Ace.... "

well he couldn't have been more wrong. the ecu sends out a 5 volt reference signal to the maf sensor, water temp sensor, and tps sensor. when that signal gets shorted out, it shuts down the computer. In my case it was the mass airflow sensor, I unplugged it and whaddya know I have spark and a check engine light.

I wasn't very impressed with the responses I was given, I was talked down for another suggestion about what it could be that I got from another toyota enthusiast and told no way could it be that. In the end he was right on. Then my thread was closed and he told me to go to another forum. I thought this forum was about helping other supra owners out with problems, boy was I wrong.

 

[suprastanger507mgte]

thanks for sharing what actually fixed the problem on your car.
Most of the time guys come in here asking for help and when their problem is fixed, they don't really come back ans state what fix was applied that fixed the problem. This in turn makes the search function useless for a similar issue if someone is asked to go search for an answer.

When I was in school, our very knowledgeable instructor ( UNIX GOD as some called him) said this "TRUST NO ONE".
This meant he tested us by telling us to do things, then checked to see if we second guessed him or just did what was told...He said..nnot to even trust his answers unless we all figured it out together..or he proved it.I still live by those words when I get instructions. Its always good to second guess..no matter how good someone maybe or think is...in general.

 

[liftedtoy97]

thanks for sharing what actually fixed the problem on your car.
Most of the time guys come in here asking for help and when their problem is fixed, they don't really come back ans state what fix was applied that fixed the problem. This in turn makes the search function useless for a similar issue if someone is asked to go search for an answer.

When I was in school, our very knowledgeable instructor ( UNIX GOD as some called him) said this "TRUST NO ONE".
This meant he tested us by telling us to do things, then checked to see if we second guessed him or just did what was told...He said..nnot to even trust his answers unless we all figured it out together..or he proved it.I still live by those words when I get instructions. Its always good to second guess..no matter how good someone maybe or think is...in general.

I agree, and just had a feeling the ecu wasn't the problem. Like I had said, I didn't have alot of electrical experience but from what I did, one and only one possible solution didn't seem right. Especially his. I was told that the dealers would have followed the exact same book and came to the exact same solution he did...well no wonder people throw so much money away at the stealers just to have the problem ongoing in the end. But I wanted to let the nicer guys know incase they ever ran across this problem.

 

[dumbo]

well that is good hear, i was a bit upset that the thread was closed. and i'm glad you got it fixed. so it was your afm, strange they dont mention any of those in the tsrm. so do you got a new afm?

 

[liftedtoy97]

well that is good hear, i was a bit upset that the thread was closed. and i'm glad you got it fixed. so it was your afm, strange they dont mention any of those in the tsrm. so do you got a new afm?

I was too. No I am just going to repair this one, just resoldier(sp?) the one I have. Napa wanted $530 for a new one and $40-$120 on ebay for used. I pulled it apart and the terminals were twisted up and definitely shorted out.

 

[benchwarmer]

That's a bizarre problem to have, I have never heard of that happening before. Glad you got it figured out.

 

[s383mmber1]

This is a PUBLIC forum. Just because someone seems to have alot of knowledge doesnt mean you should always take it.

Always better to figure it out on your own IMO.

Dont rag on Jetjock BTW...

Edit: But WHY did your terminals short out !?!?

 

[jetjock]

Lmao. Feel better? It appears you have a reading comprehension problem. Show me where I said it had to be the ECU and only the ECU. Go ahead dipshit, post up where I said that.

And show me where I commented on Vc being shorted as unable to be the cause. I didn't, because I'd given up on you by then. On my end I never thought the ECU was bad. It rarely is. I just finally decided you didn't know wtf you were doing (turns out I was right) and decided helping you further was a waste of time. Moron...

 

[cuel]

I was too. No I am just going to repair this one, just resoldier(sp?) the one I have. Napa wanted $530 for a new one and $40-$120 on ebay for used. I pulled it apart and the terminals were twisted up and definitely shorted out.

Which terminals? You wouldn't happen to have a pic would you?

I've had afm's go out of phase enough to make the car run like crap, but not trip the c.e.l. I have yet to see one cause your symptoms. Odder things have happened, though...

Glad you got it fixed. Go easy on JJ, though. Even the best of us make a mistake now and again. Having an afm that is internally damaged, which would be causing it to short out the ecu, would be hard to catch with access to the car, much less over the net. Good job So it's up and running good now?

Edit: I didn't read the other post until after this one. Shines a little better light on the subject. I should have known better :3d_frown: Everyone wants the simple, easy answer.

 

[liftedtoy97]

This is a PUBLIC forum. Just because someone seems to have alot of knowledge doesnt mean you should always take it.

Always better to figure it out on your own IMO.

Dont rag on Jetjock BTW...

Edit: But WHY did your terminals short out !?!?

I don't know why they shorted out. Vibration I would assume.

 

[cjsupra90]

Lmao. Feel better? It appears you have a reading comprehension problem. Show me where I said it had to be the ECU and only the ECU. Go ahead dipshit, post up where I said that.

And show me where I commented on Vc being shorted as unable to be the cause. I didn't, because I'd given up on you by then. On my end I never thought the ECU was bad. It rarely is. I just finally decided you didn't know wtf you were doing (turns out I was right) and decided helping you further was a waste of time. Moron...

JJ, I've always liked you and still do, but honestly, you need to loose the cocky attitude. No, you did not directly say that the ECU was the whole problem but you did directly insinuate that it was. You gave him the flow chart in which would easily lead him to think that the ECU was bad based on the test procedures and he had all the supplies and grounds needed for the MIL to light and it didn't so according to the TSRM, Bad ECU... You also did say that you told him exactly what the problem was "Before you become dead to me what I told you *does* have to be the problem" Sp again, backing up the insinuated fact that the ECU was bad. He also asked about the Vc because of what someone else suggested as a possible problem and right after that asked if everyone had given up on him and you said "I did because there's nothing left to say. I told you everything it could possibly be. In fact I'm beginning to think helping you was a waste of time... This was after he asked about the Vc!!!!!!

There was nothing that he said or did that should have cause you to give up on him except question any other possibilities after you told him what it "*does*" have to be... If you didn't think that it was the ECU then why did you give up on him and the problem?

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No in JJ's defence, 99.9% of the time he is very knoledgeable and correct about these kinds of topic and problem... Im not trying to bash in any way with what I said just previously, but I do think that he could have put a little bit more effort into helping with the problem and answering questions insted of making statement and then giving up cause of someone questioning his comments and statements......

 

[dumbo]

i gotta apologize, man. I thought it was your ecu as well, not just cause I thought jetjock did, but the TSRM didn't leave many other options.

 

[liftedtoy97]

JJ, I've always liked you and still do, but honestly, you need to loose the cocky attitude. No, you did not directly say that the ECU was the whole problem but you did directly insinuate that it was. You gave him the flow chart in which would easily lead him to think that the ECU was bad based on the test procedures and he had all the supplies and grounds needed for the MIL to light and it didn't so according to the TSRM, Bad ECU... You also did say that you told him exactly what the problem was "Before you become dead to me what I told you *does* have to be the problem" Sp again, backing up the insinuated fact that the ECU was bad. He also asked about the Vc because of what someone else suggested as a possible problem and right after that asked if everyone had given up on him and you said "I did because there's nothing left to say. I told you everything it could possibly be. In fact I'm beginning to think helping you was a waste of time... This was after he asked about the Vc!!!!!!

There was nothing that he said or did that should have cause you to give up on him except question any other possibilities after you told him what it "*does*" have to be... If you didn't think that it was the ECU then why did you give up on him and the problem?

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No in JJ's defence, 99.9% of the time he is very knoledgeable and correct about these kinds of topic and problem... Im not trying to bash in any way with what I said just previously, but I do think that he could have put a little bit more effort into helping with the problem and answering questions insted of making statement and then giving up cause of someone questioning his comments and statements......

Thank you, I appreciate your defense, and am glad someone understands my side of it. JJ is awesome when it comes to electronics, and I admire his knowledge that he has. If it weren't for this incident he would be the first person I came to with a problem. But like you said he is cocky and was very rude.

 

[IJ.]

Less name calling guys....

one and only warning for ALL involved.

 

[liftedtoy97]

i gotta apologize, man. I thought it was your ecu as well, not just cause I thought jetjock did, but the TSRM didn't leave many other options.

No worries, everything pointed to it being the ECU, who knew that it would turn out to be an effed sensor.

 

[Kckazdude]

After reading both threads it seems like someone fell victim to laziness. The only reference I can find about a dead ECU in the other thread is first from liftedtoy97 in post #5. Just because that is the last step in a flow chart and it looks the easiest doesnt mean that must be what it is. There is a reason it is listed as a last step.

Everyone wants to bash JJ for being rude and stand-offish when the fact is the man has spent more time studying and learning this stuff more than 95% of the forum. The fact is JJ gave him the link to the flow chart to fix his problem in post #2. Then went over and beyond in post #14 decribing in detail what/why would lead him to discover the problem. IF liftedtoy97 would have followed those 2 points of advice he would have discovered the problem. However, he was waiting for someone to come in and hold his hand and just give him the answer as the person did in post #17.

 

[liftedtoy97]

After reading both threads it seems like someone fell victim to laziness. The only reference I can find about a dead ECU in the other thread is first from liftedtoy97 in post #5. Just because that is the last step in a flow chart and it looks the easiest doesnt mean that must be what it is. There is a reason it is listed as a last step.

Everyone wants to bash JJ for being rude and stand-offish when the fact is the man has spent more time studying and learning this stuff more than 95% of the forum. The fact is JJ gave him the link to the flow chart to fix his problem in post #2. Then went over and beyond in post #14 decribing in detail what/why would lead him to discover the problem. IF liftedtoy97 would have followed those 2 points of advice he would have discovered the problem. However, he was waiting for someone to come in and hold his hand and just give him the answer as the person did in post #17.

I'm not trying to "bash" him, I already said I admire his knowledge. If he thought there was nothing more he could have done he could have worded it and been nicer about it, not rude like he was. I understand trying to explain how to fix something to someone without seeing it and them not having much experience with what they are doing, it has happened many times. I didn't want someone to "hold my hand" as everyone keeps saying, that's the last thing i want and I will keep at it until I figure it out, that's how I learn. For not ever having dealt with troubleshooting electronics I think I did just fine testing resistances and the voltages as well as reading the diagrams.

Who cares anymore? It's not a big deal, I picked it up slowly, he got frustrated...happens all the time. I can see where it came off as me wanting someone to hold my hand, but I assure you I wasn't.

 

[IJ.]

If your intent was just to post that you'd solved the issue fine but the initial swipe at JJ "God" set the mood in this thread and it's bordering on trolling.

The first thread was locked for a reason and opening this one to continue the bullshit is NOT doing your case any good.

The Name Calling warning was to ALL involved I don't need any PM's whinging that either side has been hard done by just knock it off.

 

[liftedtoy97]

If your intent was just to post that you'd solved the issue fine but the initial swipe at JJ "God" set the mood in this thread and it's bordering on trolling.

The first thread was locked for a reason and opening this one to continue the bullshit is NOT doing your case any good.

The Name Calling warning was to ALL involved I don't need any PM's whinging that either side has been hard done by just knock it off.

The first thread went too far yes, and I honestly opened this thread to post what fixed it. I shouldn't have brought him up again in the first post in this thread but I was still kinda pissed about it. I got over it, it's done and over. I actually already pm'ed him to apologize about the whole thing before you posted.

 

[cjsupra90]

Thank you, I appreciate your defense, and am glad someone understands my side of it. JJ is awesome when it comes to electronics, and I admire his knowledge that he has. If it weren't for this incident he would be the first person I came to with a problem. But like you said he is cocky and was very rude.

Your welcome, but dont take it to much.... I've been thinking about the whole problem today, and well,,, I'll just say that somethings doesn't add up, but I'll leave that alone... Dont want to start anything here.. And dont want to make Ian mad either..

JJ is a great and very knowledgable guy when it comes to all this kind of stuff and although your saying that he was wrong this time, I still wouldn't use that as a reason to not look for his assistance... He may seem cocky at times or rude to some eyes, but I dont honestly think or believe that to be his intentions all... One thing you have to remember, is when asking for any assistance with problems, you really have to be extremely detailed in your questions, comments and answers to questions that were asked of you (even if it takes some time to type it out).. Lack of details makes it very hard for one to assist (especially if they cant actually have thier hands on the car) and can easily and quickly leed to frustration and total lack of interest in assisting any further...

No matter what the case, in the end you got the car running and thats what matters regardless of what the problem *actually* was...