Moving back in with the parents to save money?

GrimJack

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Can't use a debit card for some things. Like my Nexus border pass membership, for instance - Credit Card required. Don't have one? Don't bother applying. Also, there are advantages to the CC - like for instance, what happens when the network is offline. DC doesn't work. CC still works fine.

I like the fact that I have a CC in my wallet that I can walk into any of my banks anywhere in the world, show them the card, tell them how much money I happen to need, and they'll give it to me, no questions asked.

I've been using a CC for internet purchases for a long time now - longer than I could get a DC, that's for sure. I just tell Visa that I would like to keep the limit at $1200, because it's specifically for online purchases, and this way they aren't likely to get scammed for much money. They don't mind at all. Occasionally I've purchased something larger, and I just call them ahead of time, they boost the limit, I make the purchase, pay it out, then call them and drop the limit again.

You're right about Credit Cards being a money making proposition - however, the way they make money is from those who don't pay it out. They don't care if you do pay it out, because you're always going to be a small minority, and they'll make heaps of money from the rest of their customers.

To the OP - hmmm... technically, I think it was the other way around, my mother moved in with me. After my first marriage self destructed, and my mom's second husband shuffled off this mortal coil, we found a house together and rented it for several years. Took in another room mate, sometimes two - the house was BIG, nearly 6000 square feet, so there was plenty of room. For the most part, it worked out well. There were a couple examples where my mom and my girlfriend got in a catfight and wanted me to pick sides... I carefully told them both to go pour themselves a nice, tall, cold glass of STFU. Seems to have worked. Well, halfway, anyway, I still talk to my mom, but I haven't heard anything from that x-girlfriend for many years.

There are some things to be careful about. Dropping some from the expense side of the equation doesn't help unless you manage to use that extra money wisely - like paying down your existing debt. If you spend it all on hookers and blow, you'll be in the same situation, except the 'rents will be all over you. ;) Putting the extra in a savings account earmarked for buying your own place to live works.

As for CC interest, look into debt consolidation. Chances are your bank will pay off your CC debt if you transfer that to them under a loan, and they'll give you a better interest rate. You'll likely have to give up the CC to qualify, though, but it doesn't really matter, you can get another one if you want it after it's paid off.
 

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trucker;1672385 said:
So if you are so disciplined, why not use a debit card?


i dont use credit cards, yet i perform all the functions you do. i dont think i have spent more than $100 in cash in the last few months either. i only write about 3 checks a month. I have all the same protections that a regular credit card does. I book flights, rent cars, all that good stuff people seem they think they need a cc for.

Like i said, you cant get bit by a snake that isnt in your wallet. As for your "gaining the system" good luck. they have not built huge buildings and become dominating corporations by accident. Without trying to sound disrespectful, you are a fool if you think you are going to beat them at their game. Sure, you can hit a jackpot in Vegas on occasion, but eventually, the house always wins. As a lot of people even in this thread have discovered that the hard way. You may never pay a dime in interest, you may continue to get that 1% back every year. But the statistics say that wont last forever. They have bet billions of dollars on it, and do a damn good job of making sure the odds are in their favor.


The only difference between your Visa cc and my visa dc it that i will never go into debt with mine...

Don't get the same cash back bonuses, points, etc with a debit card. Plus, the reason the credit card companies do it because they know people slip up and get into debt. Only reason the business model works. People that pay off their balance every month are people the CC companies HATE because they're losing money on them. You also don't get your credit rating up by doing that.

I myself run only a debit card because I have no credit. Nor do I really care to get credit as it requires you to go into some debt, or perceived debt (and paying the interest). No thanks at this point in my life...

Also, keep in mind most "debit cards" are credit cards now, and function through the same system. They can be run both ways. Some banks charge you to run them as credit cards though!
 

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87mk111;1672498 said:
i dont see anything wrong with having to live with your family. I'm only 21 and with school and car payments, I cant afford to move out.

You havent left, that's okay..

but if you've been on your own and then came back because you're starting to live outside your means, then that's when it becomes a problem..
 

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shaeff;1672331 said:
I always get a good chuckle out of all the anti-credit card people. While credit cards can be problems, it's generally the cardholder that causes the problem. Here's a simple tip: Don't spend more than you have in cash to cover that expense, and don't let the bill roll over to the next month so they make money by charging you interest. Pay in full at the close of every statement.

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I also NEVER let them get me with interest. I pay the charged amount in full, every single month no matter what.

Self control. Get some.

Agreed 100%. The only time I have EVER kept a balance between months was when I had 0% APR for the first 6 months. Everything else is paid off at the end of every cycle, and I've had a couple ~$100 cash back bonuses since I've had the card. I don't charge anything I don't have money in the checking account to cover.

trucker;1672385 said:
So if you are so disciplined, why not use a debit card?


i dont use credit cards, yet i perform all the functions you do. i dont think i have spent more than $100 in cash in the last few months either. i only write about 3 checks a month. I have all the same protections that a regular credit card does. I book flights, rent cars, all that good stuff people seem they think they need a cc for.

Like i said, you cant get bit by a snake that isnt in your wallet. As for your "gaining the system" good luck. they have not built huge buildings and become dominating corporations by accident. Without trying to sound disrespectful, you are a fool if you think you are going to beat them at their game. Sure, you can hit a jackpot in Vegas on occasion, but eventually, the house always wins. As a lot of people even in this thread have discovered that the hard way. You may never pay a dime in interest, you may continue to get that 1% back every year. But the statistics say that wont last forever. They have bet billions of dollars on it, and do a damn good job of making sure the odds are in their favor.


The only difference between your Visa cc and my visa dc it that i will never go into debt with mine...

I'll never let myself go into debt with mine either...it's all in how you use the CC. Statistics are pulled from the majority, and they don't imply anything about what I do individually.


To the OP...as for moving back in with parents, I did to cover tuition once I got my full time job and lost my free housing at college. I could have paid for it myself while renting an apartment, but they were willing and it just made it easier. I gave them a monthly sum to cover any misc. costs though. I've since moved out after two years there. I think it's perfectly acceptable if the situation dictates it and your parents are willing :).
 

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In some cases, in the UK, it's becoming damn near impossible to afford anywhere to live. Rents approaching £800 to £1000 a month for even the shittiest place excluding any kind of bills. Property prices are insane outside of the US. Most people my age are still living with their folks, not because they want to, but because it's damn near financially impossible.

My other half works hard, and earns roughly £1440 / $2315 a month before tax. After tax for her, it's about £1300 / $2090 (in mainland UK, you'll get around £1100 / $1768 or less). So thats £300 to £500 ($482 to $800) for bills and food, right? Electric is £100 / $160 a month, Water is £50 / $80, Gas (domestic supply, for hot water & cooking), is £70 or so. You're living hand to mouth. No room to save, no room to run a car, go anywhere that involves money.

So instead, she's content to pay her mum's monthly mortgage of £200 and put the rest towards saving for a deposit & a few months rent on an "apartment" as you would call it. That, and the £1200 / $2000 she'll need for a driving license.

What about moving area? Well - it's true - area's outside of cities are cheaper - but then she'd have to find a new job, cause public transport outside of cities is abysmal, and she can't drive. Rock. Meet hard place.

Overall, I dont think there's anything to be ashamed of, embarrassed by the fact you're not earning the ludicrous sums of money you're somehow expected to turf out for a roof over your head....maybe.

It depends on your individual circumstance. If the economy has kicked your ass, you've lost your job and nothing you can find, paying work wise, will cover any kind of rent, chill - parents don't just turf you out at age 16/18 whatever and say 'fuck off' - they're your parents, they more than likely care for you, and understand the situation you're in.

If however you've overspent on your credit cards, racked up debt on shit you knew you couldn't afford and lived a lifestyle that's way above your pay grade - then yes, you're a dumb shit, and you should be embarrassed AND ashamed.
 

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I think another thing to apply here is the saying "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." What I mean when I say this, is that we all live and learn (well, we always live, and hopefully we learn) how to keep our lifestyle in check. In my case, the first time I moved back in to my parents place (back in 2005) was that I didn't have a whole lot of job prospects around AZ, and I had a job on the table in Wyoming (the one I got laid off from) paying ~$15/hour. Thing is, $15/hour isn't enough to get yourself even a halfway decent place around here if you're on your own, so I lived with my parents.

Second time I had to move back in with them, was because I had been laid off, and the job market REALLY sucked in AZ at that time. Kinda bad timing on my part, I had just bought a car (2001 SS) that I *really* paid too much for. Had I not done that, I could have probably gotten a job at Checker making $8-10/hour, kept driving my nigh-indestructible Miata, kept the Supra, etc... Unfortunately, I bought the car before I got laid off. Then I went and got a different loan for the Supra I currently have because I had sub-leased the SS thinking the guy who took over the payments was going to pay it off, etc, etc... Needless to say, it was a time of some REALLY bad choices, one after the other. I was basically left with either ruining my credit and racking up WAY more debt than I could ever realistically afford to pay off... or move back in with my family.

So, that's what I did. I've learned my lesson, and it should be obvious at this point, that while I love living in AZ, I won't be moving back any time soon, not until I could afford to just buy a house outright and not need to work my ass off to keep the roof over my head.

THAT... I think explains my point. If you've fucked up once, it's not such a big deal. If you're doing it repeatedly and need your parents to bail you out yet again, well... maybe you need to step back and reevaluate your decision making process.
 

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RazoE;1672568 said:
You havent left, that's okay..

but if you've been on your own and then came back because you're starting to live outside your means, then that's when it becomes a problem..

i definately agree with you there. i could have probably afforded to move out by now, but in highschool i blew most of my money that i earned on video games and going to concerts and stuff. if i had been smarter back then, i wouldve started saving up for a palce of my own.
 

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trucker;1672385 said:
So if you are so disciplined, why not use a debit card?


i dont use credit cards, yet i perform all the functions you do. i dont think i have spent more than $100 in cash in the last few months either. i only write about 3 checks a month. I have all the same protections that a regular credit card does. I book flights, rent cars, all that good stuff people seem they think they need a cc for.

Like i said, you cant get bit by a snake that isnt in your wallet. As for your "gaining the system" good luck. they have not built huge buildings and become dominating corporations by accident. Without trying to sound disrespectful, you are a fool if you think you are going to beat them at their game. Sure, you can hit a jackpot in Vegas on occasion, but eventually, the house always wins. As a lot of people even in this thread have discovered that the hard way. You may never pay a dime in interest, you may continue to get that 1% back every year. But the statistics say that wont last forever. They have bet billions of dollars on it, and do a damn good job of making sure the odds are in their favor.


The only difference between your Visa cc and my visa dc it that i will never go into debt with mine...

I have a debit card, I just don't use it often as I usually don't need cash. Do you get 1% back on every purchase you make? Doesn't seem like a lot, but it certainly adds up. If you play the system right, it works for YOU, not the other way around. I don't need a CC, it's just convenient AND it's a way for me to SAVE extra money. Every few months they have a special where you get 5% back on all gas purchases. I buy a lot of gas, so that's a LOT of savings. Wouldn't get that with a debit card, either. Same with food/entertainment, 5% cash back on those too, depending on what special the CC company is running for those months. Don't get that with a debit either.

I think everyone's problem is that they let the snake control THEM, rather than being a snake charmer yourself. ;) It's not the CC company's fault you can't pay off your monthly balance and let it run over, thus letting them charge you interest. That's your own fault. Besides, if you overdraft your debit/checking acct, you get an overdraft fee. I never get that, as I'm never ANYWHERE near my CC's limit. I don't think you're disrespectful for thinking I'm a fool, so long as you don't take offense to me thinking you're ignorant when it comes to this subject matter. YOU have the control. If YOU overspend, that snake will bite you. If you do everything like me, then you end up MAKING money off that "snake" in your wallet. I've made hundreds of dollars off of them at this point, and they've not earned a penny from me.

I'm not a part of that majority that can't pay their bill off each billing cycle. I'm in the minority that manages my money well, and uses THEIR system to MY advantage. And I can tell ya, the pot is pretty sweet if you manage it properly and manage it well. Their house is not winning off me, plain and simple. I've got far more than enough in savings to cover my max limit many times over. Trust me when I say that they're not going to get anything from me.

I'll never go into debt with mine, either. And at the same time I'll be making money off them, and have no overdraft fee to boot as I never get near my limit. :)