MKiii aftermarket alarm questions

[hey...it runs]

Hey guys, I ran a quick search on here but didn't see anything that helped too much. Im looking into installingeither a viper 790 xv ($100 bucks Craigslist) or buying a python 991.

I'm looking to install all the basics those have, with the 2-way 1 mile remote, backup battery, proximity, and Mic for glassbreak along with hood and trunk (going to use stock sensors if possible). For around 250 bucks.

What I'm wondering is how hard it is to install a system like that? I'm a 17 year old and it's not raining money. Lol. I know the basics about wiring and have basic mechanical knowledge as well. I can reads wiringdiagram and I installed a complete aftermarket stereo down to the wiring and replaced my N/A headgasket to give you an idea of my skill level. Is this something I should attempt? Thanks guys.

 

[hvyman]

Can get a new Clifford for around 200$ on amazon. Has identical wiring and all that as the vipers.

 

[suprarx7nut]

Definitely doable, but be prepared to spend many hours on it. I probably spent a good 15 hours on mine. Viper 5701.

There's a good write up on here for alarm install as well.

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[hey...it runs]

I'll check Clifford out a little more. And sounds like a pain but I think I can do it. Where did you tap into the wiring?

 

[hey...it runs]

Also, can you use the stock hood and trunk sensors?

 

[suprarx7nut]

Stock sensors work fine. You can access the wiring mostly through the drivers side kick panel.

Use the search here or go to google and search something like: "site:www.supramania.com aftermarket alarm wiring". You should find at least one thread with a very good, detailed write up.

 

[barkz]

you need to find a guide for all your wires in the car. we use a site at work that lists all wires and locations for our remote starters/alarms. wish i could remember it right now, but im stuck in a 3rd world country. as far as Viper/Clifford, they are made by the same people(DEI). both good products. And also, as far as a 15 hour install...thats would be if youre stopping every 10 mins to enjoy a beer(if youre not 17 ) and getting to drunk to remember what you were doing. If you find a good wire guide and get a test light to find all those wires, and with a good prewire(as in find wires in car, find wires on brain of alarm, cut off wires you dont need, tape up all wires so they look clean) you should be able to get this done in at least...4ish hours. i came into the remote start/alarm game with almost NO expierence, with the help of my coworker, i was finishing a remote starter in under an hour, depending on the car. And one last word of advice... SOLDER EVERYTHING! go to home depot and get a nice soldering GUN, not a pencil style, they suck and can burn things lol good luck and let us know. ill look for the site we use at work. any questions feel free to ask

 

[barkz]

www.directechs.com but you need to log on to get the info, forgot about that. if you want i can email you the PDF file, or you can just google search and find what you need there

 

[Justin]

there's a walkthrough on a system with that same wiring harness on SM, search around and find it. The fellow did a really in depth write up/install guide.

 

[hey...it runs]

You guys all rock! Thanks!

 

[mervert]

Has anyone tried wiring an aftermarket one using all the wires for the factory unit? I was planning to de-pin the factory plug and sticking the wires into the aftermarket plug so as to avoid splicing anything.

 

[hvyman]

Iirc nick m has a write up link in his sig. That's what I used when I did mine the first time.

 

[vmoua509]

You can get wiring diagrams at this website WWW.the12volt.com I've use this for many of my alarm/remote start installs.

 

[Satan]

I used a couple of write-ups here for my Python... added all kinds of modules and extras. Can be intimidating, but have to have the discipline to handle/connect 1 wire at a time. Can do at home in about 3 hours, for a first timer.

Good luck!

 

[suprarx7nut]

I used a couple of write-ups here for my Python... added all kinds of modules and extras. Can be intimidating, but have to have the discipline to handle/connect 1 wire at a time. Can do at home in about 3 hours, for a first timer.

Good luck!

3 Hours?! For a first timer?! I think I spent 3 hours just doing the remote start wiring alone. Maybe I'm just a snail when it comes to working on the Sup. :dunno:

 

[raysupra]

lol some people get wiring better than other people.. some people look at their wiring and just see spaghetti.. Its really fun once you get the hang of what set of wires go where, what they do and how to read schematics.. I think its a Great idea to reuse stock alarm wiring if its avalible.. most alarms have a shock sensor.. first primary sensor.. and as for glass breaks you'd have to add.. I think most of the wiring should be their Good luck with your install.. Ill be doing the same when my baby gets on the road.

 

[barkz]

once you know which color wire from the brain does what(ie parking light, horn, lock, unlock etc etc) you can make a nice clean prewire in 10 mins. then follow your cars wire guide for colors/locations. find wires, test wires, strip, solder, tape. i would suggest finding a hiding place for the brain before making connections. at our shop we tell the customer if he can find the brain within 20 minutes we wont charge him...no one has succeded lol. basically dont just tuck it under the dash, thats the first place a thief will look. maybe behind the gauge cluster? idk how much room is back there.

 

[hey...it runs]

You guys have been awesome. One last question, at least for now. I've been reading and for some vehicles you need an "xpress kit" or signal amplifier for it to start, but that is only for chipped keys I think. Is there any special/extra hardware I will need for this install? Such as a neutral sensor (5 speed) or wiring harness for the ECU?

 

[GrimJack]

No special hardware required. It doesn't connect to the ECU, so no harness there.

You should be able to use the stock trunk sensor - test it to make sure it still work first, of course. I've found a lot of cars where the wire to that isn't connected to anything anymore. Cannot use a stock sensor for the hood, due to the fact that there isn't one.

There isn't a neutral sensor, either... we have clutch sensors, sure, but that's pretty useless if you are putting in an auto start. It's possible to add sensors to the 5 speed to sense true neutral, but it's NOT easy.

When shopping for an alarm, I look for something that only has connections on ONE SIDE. These alarms with connectors going all four directions from the brain make mounting them a pain, and the wiring looks like something out of a wrecked airliner.

As for the installation time estimates... better to give yourself lots of time than to end up under the gun. Sure, you might be able to complete it in 3 hours or less - but it's better to allow more time, don't rush, and you won't have near as much stress.

 

[barkz]

as far as the brains with wires coming from all sides, thats what you see alot of now adays. what we do at the shop is screw the brain down to the work bench, run all the wires down either side up to the front(main ignition, starter, 12v, acc wires) harness, and ziptie them to the brain at the "mounting holes". from there we figure out which wires we dont need, cut them a few inches after the brain, then start figuring out which direction in the car the other wires need to go. from there we start taping. ill use an average of one roll of electrical tape per install. we cover practically every inch of wire with tape, its cleaner and helps keep the wires where you want them. i had a pic up of the begining stages of an istall. let me see if i can find it