Mild suspension upgrade advice request

honestabe

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For the snow months you could raise the suspension as high as possible and then have the springs and dampening be very soft. I think this would work well (IDK though, since the last time I drove my Supra in the snow I did it with my very wide and sticky summer only tires and the suspension set very stiff).
 

Victor Charlie

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honestabe;1442109 said:
For the snow months you could raise the suspension as high as possible and then have the springs and dampening be very soft. I think this would work well (IDK though, since the last time I drove my Supra in the snow I did it with my very wide and sticky summer only tires and the suspension set very stiff).

I'll let everyone know in a few months... thanks for the tips today. I have a much better idea what the options are now.
 

steve1479

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I personally love my suspension setup with a passion. It handles like a car on rails and isn't too stiff over bumps and dips in the road. Here's what I'm running at the moment:

HSD fully adjustable gas-shock coilovers ($1400...) but with full tunability. (currently dropped 1.75 inches from stock)

Cusco front and rear strut tower bars (about $150 each) (you've gotta cut two little oval shaped slots in your rear plastic trim pieces, but it looks clean if you put grommets around the holes)

Suspension techniques sway bars + BiC metal endlinks for both front and rear ($300 + about $220 for end links) (makes cornering feel really nice, gets rid of alot of body roll)

I'd really like to get around to re-doing all my bushings, if not with poly then with a hard rubber or even neoprene from what I've heard.
Suspension tech
 

Ma70.Ent

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honestabe;1442653 said:
Placebo bars, aka the front and rear strut tower bars. On the Supra they do absolutely nothing.

They add weight and look cool while making your wallet lighter.
 

Kevin

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Im gonna be driving in the winter too.. I live in Windsor, ontario so i am right across from detroit. Gonna get 4 dedicated winter tires.. this is my first winter in this car.. so hopefully it goes well.
 

Poodles

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Also, raising and lowering a car with coilovers isn't exactly what I would call fun. Especially true if you're anal and want to corner balance the car or get the ride height perfect with you in it...
 

Victor Charlie

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Kevin;1442661 said:
Im gonna be driving in the winter too.. I live in Windsor, ontario so i am right across from detroit. Gonna get 4 dedicated winter tires.. this is my first winter in this car.. so hopefully it goes well.

I love the supra in the snow. Play time! I went with very narrow tires, 195 or 205, and it worked the last two years. Takes practice but then its great. My problem this year is that I haven't transferred the LSD to the new car, or worked on my suspension yet, so I may end up driving the truck a lot.
 

Victor Charlie

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steve1479;1442421 said:
Suspension techniques sway bars + BiC metal endlinks for both front and rear ($300 + about $220 for end links) (makes cornering feel really nice, gets rid of alot of body roll)

I'd really like to get around to re-doing all my bushings, if not with poly then with a hard rubber or even neoprene from what I've heard.
Suspension tech

I bought bushings, but I'm afraid to start until I know how much down time to expect. I might do the struts first, then take it apart again to do bushings one wheel at a time. RonnieK, on his site, says you need special tools, a press, and a lot of time to do all the bushings, so that's a bit scary since I don't have any of those things, LOL

Sway bar? One forum member said it makes the car respond to steering quicker, but actually makes more skidding in bumpy turns. How much sway is good sway? I might need a separate thread on this if this one is getting stale.
 

arz

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honestabe;1441997 said:
Driving the Supra in the snow? I wouldn't. There's too many bad things that can happen, like sliding into things/things sliding into you...
I agree with this dude. Not to mention the RUST!!!

I grew up in MI and I love cars, thats really the whole reason I left. If you have never worked on a 20+ year old southwest rust free car you would be blown away at how well they are preserved. I would personally never drive a car like this through a winter. Too much exposure to salt and rain.

Kevin;1442661 said:
Im gonna be driving in the winter too.. I live in Windsor, ontario so i am right across from detroit. Gonna get 4 dedicated winter tires.. this is my first winter in this car.. so hopefully it goes well.
I feel sorry for both of your cars. And you guys, as I personally cant take the overcast, it totally bums me out.

Victor Charlie;1442039 said:
.... As for not driving in the snow: then you don't drive much at all around here. Snow starts this week and goes to April, and you never know when you are going to be at work and the snow is going to roll in.

I have to admit, I love driving the supra in the snow....
Victor Charlie;1442948 said:
I love the supra in the snow. Play time! I went with very narrow tires, 195 or 205, and it worked the last two years. Takes practice but then its great. My problem this year is that I haven't transferred the LSD to the new car, or worked on my suspension yet, so I may end up driving the truck a lot.
Sure I know, its a total blast, but put some sand bags in the back of the truck and drive. Stiff suspension, LSD, bigger sway bars all work against you for snow traction.

Victor Charlie;1442952 said:
I bought bushings, but I'm afraid to start until I know how much down time to expect. I might do the struts first, then take it apart again to do bushings one wheel at a time. RonnieK, on his site, says you need special tools, a press, and a lot of time to do all the bushings, so that's a bit scary since I don't have any of those things, LOL

Sway bar? One forum member said it makes the car respond to steering quicker, but actually makes more skidding in bumpy turns. How much sway is good sway? I might need a separate thread on this if this one is getting stale.
My suspicion is that everybody is bummed your car is going to rust away. I know I am. Please drive a winter beater... Unless you already have rust holes and aren't planning on keeping that car.

If you do plan on replacing the car with a SW one, let me know as I have always wanted to ferry one back to MI, I have a car back there that I would like to drive back here.

You would be blown away that you can unbolt every bolt on the exhaust without snapping a fastener, and easily re-use it.
 

steve1479

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arz;1442970 said:
I agree with this dude. Not to mention the RUST!!!

I grew up in MI and I love cars, thats really the whole reason I left. If you have never worked on a 20+ year old southwest rust free car you would be blown away at how well they are preserved. I would personally never drive a car like this through a winter. Too much exposure to salt and rain.

I feel sorry for both of your cars. And you guys, as I personally cant take the overcast, it totally bums me out.


Sure I know, its a total blast, but put some sand bags in the back of the truck and drive. Stiff suspension, LSD, bigger sway bars all work against you for snow traction.

My suspicion is that everybody is bummed your car is going to rust away. I know I am. Please drive a winter beater... Unless you already have rust holes and aren't planning on keeping that car.

If you do plan on replacing the car with a SW one, let me know as I have always wanted to ferry one back to MI, I have a car back there that I would like to drive back here.

You would be blown away that you can unbolt every bolt on the exhaust without snapping a fastener, and easily re-use it.

I should probably mention that I don't drive my car in the snow, I have a VW for that. That's why I have all this stuff on. For spirited summer driving :naughty:
 

Victor Charlie

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steve1479;1443047 said:
I should probably mention that I don't drive my car in the snow, I have a VW for that. That's why I have all this stuff on. For spirited summer driving :naughty:

You guys are missing out. Love the snow. Love the seasons. Love the depression, LOL.

My supra is very clean, only rust is from a bad repair years ago when my Dad owned the car, and that will be fixed soon. I work over the bottom of the car every year, changed most of the rusted bolts and rust proofed the exposed metal with several layers. I wash it regularly, including the underside, when it snows, since I live next to a car wash. Properly maintained, the car does fine with Michigan winters. Yes, I envy guys that can reuse exhaust system bolts and don't have to drill out rusted bolts, but every year I get it cleaner. When i rebuilt the engine, every last fastener was either replaced, or stripped to good metal and primered/painted. I should buy stock in companies that make rust dissolving chemicals, as much as i use.

I thought the LSD would help, I don't have it in yet. I have stock springs, its not lowered, I'm going with adjustable shocks, and i have skinny snow tires for winter. It works fine. Snow driving is like a mini lesson in drifting and makes you a better driver. Especially if you have a safe place to practice and learn.
 

Kevin

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arz;1442970 said:
I agree with this dude. Not to mention the RUST!!!

I grew up in MI and I love cars, thats really the whole reason I left. If you have never worked on a 20+ year old southwest rust free car you would be blown away at how well they are preserved. I would personally never drive a car like this through a winter. Too much exposure to salt and rain.

I feel sorry for both of your cars. And you guys, as I personally cant take the overcast, it totally bums me out.


Sure I know, its a total blast, but put some sand bags in the back of the truck and drive. Stiff suspension, LSD, bigger sway bars all work against you for snow traction.

My suspicion is that everybody is bummed your car is going to rust away. I know I am. Please drive a winter beater... Unless you already have rust holes and aren't planning on keeping that car.

If you do plan on replacing the car with a SW one, let me know as I have always wanted to ferry one back to MI, I have a car back there that I would like to drive back here.

You would be blown away that you can unbolt every bolt on the exhaust without snapping a fastener, and easily re-use it.


i wish i had a winter beater.. But unfortunately this is my dd.. and i am poor lol. maybe next year i'll get a winter beater when i save up enough $$
 

steve1479

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That's why I love my little Golf. It's turbo diesel so it costs me pennies to run and a tank of diesel will last me forever. The parts are cheap as ever and it's easy to work on, as long as you know how to work on a diesel. FWD in the snow is also pretty easy to drive