Might buy a MkIII

turbojuiced

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Tom.D;1012498 said:
I thought there was but I can't find it? The search keeps giving me errors.

Ok I will help you out then here ya go.

-Have someone cold start the car while you stand behind it watching the tailpipe, and look for gray smoke with a blue-ish tint (easiest to see in direct sunlight)

-Let the car warm up and continue to stand behind the car checking for smoke

-Now move to the front of the car, and open the hood. Listen for bad noises (noticeable injector ticking is normal)

-Now go back and watch the tailpipe for smoke, have someone blip the throttle, while you watch for smoke, let it idle between the blips

-Now do the same but have them mash the gas and rev it up till like 5000rpm or so

-Now have a friend follow behind you in another car while you go for a test drive

-Have him/her watch for smoke while you drive

-Put it in 2nd gear, let the rpm drop to about 1500, and then stomp on it, and stay on it till redline, then let off the gas. Your friend should be watching for "gray/blue smoke". Just grey/black smoke is okay.

-Smoke at cold start-up, leaving a stop-light, or throttle blipping from idle is valve stem seals. Smoke under boost, or after letting off of boost, or maybe when revving full throttle, is turbo seals. Smoking for no good reason, or if it doesn't stop pretty quickly is piston rings (may get better or worse when hot).

-Your job while at full throttle in 2nd is making sure the turbos boost fine (smoothly), that you can feel full boost by 4500rpm or near it, and that you don't hear bad noises (slight turbo whistle/whine is ok, if it has an intake it will be noticeable)

-Use all the gears in the transmission, and make sure it shifts fine (if it is a 6spd, it is going to feel and sound clunky too you, that’s normal. If the transmission makes "ball bearings in a can" sounds at idle or low speeds, that is 2-piece sprung flywheel and is normal)

-While driving with the windows down, listen for clicking or popping noises coming from outside the car. (A POP when starting or stopping, or making a sharp low speed turn (maybe up a hill), is the drivers side engine mount. A clicking sound under initial mild acceleration or deceleration, that lasts for only a second or two then stops, and sounds exactly the same regardless of speed, is the rear upper control arm bushings. A clicking that changes with speed is wheel bearings)

-Make sure the brakes work smoothly and reasonably quietly. When coming to a stop take your hand slightly off the wheel and make sure it stays straight.

-Make sure the car tracks straight on flat roads.

-A creaking noise from the hatch when turning up hill, means it needs rubber hatch bumpers.

-Rattling from above you means the targa is loose (make sure the targa bolts loosen, and tighten back down smoothly) and make sure the targa wrench is there.

-Make sure the rear hatch opens and closes fine, and that is stays up on it own.

-Make sure all the doors open and close smoothly

-If you can really smell the exhaust when coming to a stop, it has no cats

-If when flooring it, the car pulls smoothly till ~4000rpm, and then rockets forward like getting hit with a semi, then it's modefied and not stock. If you have taken a look at the engine bay and it seems quite standard, the car maybe on TTC setup. If you can hardly feel a change over from the 1st turbo to both, then it's stock.

-When checking under the car for leaks, don’t be alarmed by an oily sludge on the transmission and differential. That’s a greasy undercoating that Toyota applied. But check for fresh oil leaks, and check the rear CV joint boots for cracks.

-If possible, look at the spot where the car normally parks. Check for fresh oil puddles or spots. If they say their other car caused the spot, don't believe them if it's a clean 1-2 year old car they are blaming it on.

-Check the wheel rim, inside and out, for curb rash or bent rims.

-Check for excessive or uneven wear on the tires

-Check for cheap, or miss-matched tires

-Look to see if all the little plastic panels and parts under the car all line-up, and are attached, and that paint is not where it shouldn't be (cracked under trays are not uncommon, don't be alarmed). Spend a fair amount of time on the ground, don't be afraid to get a little dirty. Also all the major body panels have the original VIN number visibly stuck on them, make sure they are all still there and are the right number. Look for missing, non-original, or out of place fasteners. All these things are possible signs off a collision.

-Check for signs of rust in the wheel wells and inner fender

-Check the condition of all the exposed rubber on the suspension joints

-Make sure the power steering is smooth and quiet

-Make sure the gaps in the body panels are all even.

-Walk all around the car, and look at each panel at different angles. Looks for small dents and dings, and make sure the paint matches all around.

-Look over the paint condition very closely

-Check around all the glass to see if it has been replaced. Check the manufacturer information on the glass to see if they are all the same.

-Make sure all the exterior lights work

-Check the headlamps for cracks, moisture or fogging/yellowing (expect them too be fogged/yellowed if an earlier model)

-Make sure to test every last switch in the car to make sure it works (power windows, locks, turn signals, light switch, dome lights, power seat, cruise control, everything). Use all the functions on the A/C and make sure they all work. Go from HOT to COLD A/C and make sure it's getting very hot, and very cold. If it has a factory alarm, make sure the key-fobs work.

-Check the interior for excessive wear (cracked leather in the seat's side bolsters is pretty damn common).

-Check all of the fluids, make sure the fluid isn't terrible. Open the oil fill cap, and look inside for sludge build-up (you shouldn't see any)

-Find out what oil the use, and how often (don't trust their answer unless they have receipts)

-Ask them if they have had any work done to it. If they have owned it for several years, and say they have done nothing to it, don't take that as being a completely good thing.

-Ask if it has ever had modifications, and what.

-Make sure it still has the spare tire, jack and wrenches, owners manual, and targa wrench.

-Try to get the repair records

-Do a VIN # and chasis number check

-Take it to a mechanic you trust AFTER you have done all this to get it checked out one last time before buying it.

-If the owner refuses any of this, be suspicious.

-Try to take a level-headed friend with you who you can trust.

This may sound like a lot to do, but really it's not, most of these things take no more than a second to do. Make sure to always go look at a car on a bright sunny day, and make sure you and the seller will have plenty of time (don't rush anything)

Any problems you find (and your likely to find a few) should not mean you shouldn't buy the car. But you need to know what you are getting into, and whether the price is reasonable. Always negotiate. People are almost always willing to come down some on their asking price. And be prepared to walk away as hard as it may be.



One guy actually tried to rush me into buying his MKIII...and a few minutes later I found out why...car wouldnt have made it home....as it overheated and blew coolant all over his driveway.......doesnt say much since he was asking almost 5K for the car.....TSK TSK


anyways...........hope that helps you people when out looking
 

Tom.D

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Whoa that list is major helpful thank you!
And I am still scouting around. They are rare here though. Down in Vancouver not so much, but here I just can't seem to find one. Although last week a RHD black 1990 suddenly appeared in town.. gotta get in on that lol. I am still looking around as much as I can, this one probably isn't going anywhere fast- No listings on the car anywhere on the internet, no for sale signs, pretty much only the people he works with knows he's selling it. I will be going later this week to take a look at it, will bring back pics.
 

turbojuiced

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Tom.D;1015091 said:
Whoa that list is major helpful thank you!
And I am still scouting around. They are rare here though. Down in Vancouver not so much, but here I just can't seem to find one. Although last week a RHD black 1990 suddenly appeared in town.. gotta get in on that lol. I am still looking around as much as I can, this one probably isn't going anywhere fast- No listings on the car anywhere on the internet, no for sale signs, pretty much only the people he works with knows he's selling it. I will be going later this week to take a look at it, will bring back pics.

your welcome :icon_razz

That sucks man thats too bad cause where I am at its hard to imagine a place without many cool cars.
 

Tom.D

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turbojuiced;1015660 said:
your welcome :icon_razz

That sucks man thats too bad cause where I am at its hard to imagine a place without many cool cars.

Haha yea it sucks. I have seen 2 other Supra's around town, one brown 1988 (it sold for 4500, and was in way worse condition than this one), and the black RHD thats been around lately. We do have tons of Civic hatchbacks with exhausts louder than hell :nono: theres the odd cool thing, a couple Skylines around here, few big turbocharged 240SX's, and theres a Prelude around here somewhere with over 10000 spent on the motor.

I have someone coming to look at my integra finally, so going to look at the Supra again soon!
 

NewWestSupras

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Take your time, look on Craigslist, Buy&Sell, and wait for the right one to come along. Spend the $5500-$10k for a minty '89+ turbo already kitted. It's either that or find one like those, that needs everything upgraded and spend the $10k additionally, and all your free time. Ask me how I know this stuff...If you just want to have some fun, look for a car that's already built and is bug-free. If a hobby fixer is more your aim, then by all means, start with a project, and do it all yourself. Takes lotsa tools, time, and work, but it can be rewarding and a bit cheaper that way. Depends on what you're into. There are literally a ton of RHD's in the lower mainland, if you don't mind sitting on the wrong side, a good one is in the $7000 range that I've seen. Talk to VanSupra as well, he has some LHD MKIII's for sale. He's not that far from you. gl.
 

turbojuiced

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Tom.D;1016302 said:
Haha yea it sucks. I have seen 2 other Supra's around town, one brown 1988 (it sold for 4500, and was in way worse condition than this one), and the black RHD thats been around lately. We do have tons of Civic hatchbacks with exhausts louder than hell :nono: theres the odd cool thing, a couple Skylines around here, few big turbocharged 240SX's, and theres a Prelude around here somewhere with over 10000 spent on the motor.

I have someone coming to look at my integra finally, so going to look at the Supra again soon!

Gees I need to set up shop and sell supras there lol. Well usually crappy supras sell for 1000-2500 here. Ones that dont work 750 and lower. Decent stock or close to stock ones start at 2700-3300. Semi modded usually 3500-5000 and highly modded 6-10grand ive seen. Obviously some excpetions to the rule but thats the norm.

Skylines are obviously cool especially here in the states lol.

But keep looking. stay optimistic.
 

turbojuiced

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NewWestSupras;1016342 said:
Take your time, look on Craigslist, Buy&Sell, and wait for the right one to come along. Spend the $5500-$10k for a minty '89+ turbo already kitted. It's either that or find one like those, that needs everything upgraded and spend the $10k additionally, and all your free time. Ask me how I know this stuff...If you just want to have some fun, look for a car that's already built and is bug-free. If a hobby fixer is more your aim, then by all means, start with a project, and do it all yourself. Takes lotsa tools, time, and work, but it can be rewarding and a bit cheaper that way. Depends on what you're into. There are literally a ton of RHD's in the lower mainland, if you don't mind sitting on the wrong side, a good one is in the $7000 range that I've seen. Talk to VanSupra as well, he has some LHD MKIII's for sale. He's not that far from you. gl.

I would really like the rhd ones :love:
 

Tom.D

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NewWestSupras;1016342 said:
Take your time, look on Craigslist, Buy&Sell, and wait for the right one to come along. Spend the $5500-$10k for a minty '89+ turbo already kitted. It's either that or find one like those, that needs everything upgraded and spend the $10k additionally, and all your free time. Ask me how I know this stuff...If you just want to have some fun, look for a car that's already built and is bug-free. If a hobby fixer is more your aim, then by all means, start with a project, and do it all yourself. Takes lotsa tools, time, and work, but it can be rewarding and a bit cheaper that way. Depends on what you're into. There are literally a ton of RHD's in the lower mainland, if you don't mind sitting on the wrong side, a good one is in the $7000 range that I've seen. Talk to VanSupra as well, he has some LHD MKIII's for sale. He's not that far from you. gl.

Well thats why I am here, to make sure I get what I want :icon_bigg I forget what this guy said, but he just did $2500 worth of work to it when he bought it (he has a kid and can't drive it now and thats why he has to get rid of it). I know the work is legit because one of my best friends works with him and helped him do it, hell they even got the head bolts tourqed to the higher specs lol.

I will definately talk to VanSupra though. I don't mind making a trip down to Vancouver to pick up a car at all. My budget is what my Integra sells for though lol. Right now it looks like its going for $4500, so I think my budget will be there. Things have died down lately though, a lot less Supra's up for sale. I think everyone has already bought them up for the summer haha.

Thanks for all the help everyone, I'll update with pics as soon as i can get some!
 

Tom.D

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Oh also forgot to ask, did the steering wheel design change from the 1986.5 car to be different in the 1987 + cars, or is it 1986.5 - 1988, 1989-1992. Or are they different based on turbo/non turbo cars. I just ask because I have noticed 2 different steering wheel designs on supra's.
 

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If you're into it as a project, your major fear should be body work... dents, dings, scratches, and especially rust. The tire well will tell the story of how the seals look... if it's clear, especially after a good rainstorm, seals are probably not bad.

Rear fenders are the most likely external place rust starts happening, yank a wheel if you have to and get a real good look at what you're getting into. If you're going to screw around under the hood, 7M-GE or 7M-GTE shouldn't be such a big deal compared to the body if you can get a good price on it.

If you just want something to drive and have fun, be real picky on the drivetrain, and don't settle for anything that even resembles shady. Great info from Turbojuiced, thanks man!

Good luck. I wish I had found this forum before I bought my MkIII
 

turbojuiced

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Keros;1016631 said:
If you're into it as a project, your major fear should be body work... dents, dings, scratches, and especially rust. The tire well will tell the story of how the seals look... if it's clear, especially after a good rainstorm, seals are probably not bad.

Rear fenders are the most likely external place rust starts happening, yank a wheel if you have to and get a real good look at what you're getting into. If you're going to screw around under the hood, 7M-GE or 7M-GTE shouldn't be such a big deal compared to the body if you can get a good price on it.

If you just want something to drive and have fun, be real picky on the drivetrain, and don't settle for anything that even resembles shady. Great info from Turbojuiced, thanks man!

Good luck. I wish I had found this forum before I bought my MkIII


Yes if a project car is not for you be real picky although I dont know how picky you could be since there arent any or much supras to chose from where your from. But if you do what my post says to check for you cant go wrong.

And your welcome for the info buddy. :icon_razz
 

Tom.D

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NICE so what I am seeing is the LSD was standard in Canada in the 86.5-88 MKIII's? Sweetness, DONUTS lol jk.

Another Supra appeared today, baby blueish MKIII, non turbo, looked sexy, but not for sale. Still no up date I am going back and forth with a guy on what he wants to pay for my Integra, either way it looks like I am going to get enough money to buy the Supra, drop it, and throw a nicer exahust on there with a header. It won't be a project car, but it will have a bunch of work done to it cause I always end up doing that with my cars lol.
 

turbojuiced

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Tom.D;1017796 said:
NICE so what I am seeing is the LSD was standard in Canada in the 86.5-88 MKIII's? Sweetness, DONUTS lol jk.

Another Supra appeared today, baby blueish MKIII, non turbo, looked sexy, but not for sale. Still no up date I am going back and forth with a guy on what he wants to pay for my Integra, either way it looks like I am going to get enough money to buy the Supra, drop it, and throw a nicer exahust on there with a header. It won't be a project car, but it will have a bunch of work done to it cause I always end up doing that with my cars lol.

Thats awesome. Any word on how much the final price is on the one your buying?
 

Tom.D

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Looks like i am going to be able to get it for 2800 - 3000, guy was asking 3200, but because I am really good friends with a guy that works with him he's gonna give me a break. That gives me 1500 to spend on the car once I get it lol. I went and stared at it for about 5 minutes today cause it was parked outside haha. I gotta crappy picture on my phone of it but I cant get it on my computer, so if anyone can for me ill send it to you via text or something.

Just from looking at it its a typical 20 year old car. Worst thing I can see is one fog light has a hole in it, and looks like someone brushed their car along it on the front bumper. Paint needs a good buff thats about it.
 

Tom.D

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IJ.;1018257 said:
Being a Mk3 you may need more than $1500 in the slush fund :(

Hope it isn't so but these cars have a habit of kicking you in the nads.

Hmm interesting, what exactly tends to go wrong with these cars?