M112 Supercharged 2JZA80-GE Supra with Manualised hybrid transmission

David P

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Spring has sprung and the job list is now jobbed and with 3 smaller size pulleys and matching belts took the Old Girl for a remap.

First death or glory test spin with the 3.2" pulley and I told Dan to do his damnedest to make it slip, yet he couldn't. Happy Days. :)


[video=youtube;v8blQ-KDal8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8blQ-KDal8[/video]


Here's the boost pressure and induction vacuum graph. :)


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Here's a bunch of info if it means anything to you.


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Unfortunately not all was plain sailing, at 5.5k rpm the fuel was being trimmed out by a Gremlin and it appears that a small crack in the manifold is randomly drawing in air at certain rpm's which is upsetting the Lambda sensor and the crank position sensor is iffy too and needs replacing. :(

I've swapped the CPS for another since last time, but it would appear that this hard work is too much to ask of these old sensors and needs to be replaced with a new one.


It took 2 hours of head scratching to find this Gremlin and to fudge it over so we had plenty of these.


[video=youtube_share;yk5GuRhmsQU]http://youtu.be/yk5GuRhmsQU[/video]


Final run, the noise was intense.


[video=youtube;g24Y4ahoh70]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g24Y4ahoh70[/video]


There should be more than 750 cfm pumping now, yet because of a crack in the manifold letting in air at certain revs, the Lambda sensor is randomly trimming the fuel.

The timing has had to be pulled right back and the rev limit reduced until I get the manifold sorted.

357 bhp @ hubs corrected @ 1.13 = 404 flywheel bhp. :)

We had 2 quick tries of swinging the cam timing, one @ +1 inlet -2 exhaust and another the other way @ -1 inlet +2 exhaust and both reduced power by about the same amount. Dan reckons there's a sweet spot we'll find that will even out the dip in torque curve we'll find next time find without the Gremlins, so back to stock settings for now.

I didn't get away until 7pm and we had no time to tinker with the water/meth, yet without it, the max temp of heat soaked charge-cooled air after returning cams to stock settings was 36°C @ 6.5k rpm.

Reducing the torque-convertor lock from 2.8k to 2k rpm has improved the power delivery at the beginning of the curve. :)

Red and green lines are previous maps recorded set @ 2.8k the top three are with the 2k setting and I suspect the dip in the power curve to be torque-convertor related but haven't worked that one out yet.


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1+ Bar in action. :)


[video=youtube_share;p-H4DQsMpXk]http://youtu.be/p-H4DQsMpXk[/video]



I plan to have the cracked manifold and iffy distributor jobs sorted and ready for another remap in August.

It can't be given too many beans until these jobs are sorted, yet had to set up the Suprastick to match the new diff/tyre combo.

After his wingman button pressing duties I let my pal drive it home, the tunes that can be played with your right foot are more addictive than drugs. :)



[video=youtube_share;zE0B4WQ3IEs]http://youtu.be/zE0B4WQ3IEs[/video]
 

Rollus

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Really nice build.

Can you please tell more about the after cooler and the transmission?

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David P

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Merci.

The charge-cooler I made from a cut down core re-welded into the N/A inlet manifold and fed through two Jag X300 pre-rads.

The transmission is a T.T. unit fitted with a modified N/A valve-body and controlled with a Suprastick ECU and Lexus IS250 flappy paddles.

In my signature link you'll find indexed links to details of all aspects of the build.
 

David P

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I've admired plenty of alternative builds and always wanted to have a go at a challenging one myself, so chose this mythical and supposedly impossible route.

It'll never be the fastest Supra, yet I promise it is the most Awesome Supra, the word "Awesome" is used by all who've had a go and by most who've seen it, because it is. :)

I'm expecting 500 bhpftlb tops and this power is instant at any revs which is perfect for daily driving, underneath, the engine is stock 10:1 N/A and the transmission is stock T.T.

This means that should either fail at any time, a days work swapping my conversion components to another unit and £100 for either a lump or box would cover it.

Which must be the cheapest maintenance for a 500 bhpftlb machine.

Once my power target has been achieved I'll refit the Hydrogen Generators, my fuel consumption target is 40 mpg.
 

Chambers

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Ahh yes, my father had dabbled with the hydrogen. He runs his generators on it, great alternate fuel source.

When I built my 1UZ Supra I knew it wouldn't be nearly the fastest thing around, but I knew I wanted to build it. So, no matter what people said I did it, and I couldn't be happier, although I'm adding some power adders now.
 

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David P;1950418 said:
Merci.

The charge-cooler I made from a cut down core re-welded into the N/A inlet manifold and fed through two Jag X300 pre-rads.

The transmission is a T.T. unit fitted with a modified N/A valve-body and controlled with a Suprastick ECU and Lexus IS250 flappy paddles.

In my signature link you'll find indexed links to details of all aspects of the build.

Thanks, I'm watching your build right now ;)

Edit: Nice pics (didn't read the whole thread yet)

Do you think the extension case of the N/A box would fit the TT box?
 
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David P

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Rollus;1950622 said:
Thanks, I'm watching your build right now ;)

Edit: Nice pics (didn't read the whole thread yet)

Do you think the extension case of the N/A box would fit the TT box?

If you mean the tail-shaft casing?

I believe that swapping this casting requires a complete strip down and rebuild using some of the weaker N/A components.

I chose to use a T.T. auto prop for a simpler and stronger plug & play installation.
 

David P

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Chambers;1950620 said:
Ahh yes, my father had dabbled with the hydrogen. He runs his generators on it, great alternate fuel source.

When I built my 1UZ Supra I knew it wouldn't be nearly the fastest thing around, but I knew I wanted to build it. So, no matter what people said I did it, and I couldn't be happier, although I'm adding some power adders now.

The HHO is presently not part of the equation. :(

If you've seen my build thread, there's a lot of things to keep up with and for safety's sake, I'll refit it after the 500? bhplbft target remap.
 

Rollus

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Thanks for your answer. I tried few days ago.

I stripped down both transmission, and I now know for sure it is not possible.

We cannot put the clip on the rear shaft using the 6 disk clutch pack of the mk4, which is almost the only purpose of such a swap.

The solution for this could be:
- machine a new rear shaft
- cut and weld mk3 and mk4 driveshaft to adapt the 4 screw link.
 

David P

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Excuse my delay, the thread notification had been consumed into my spam box.

Yes it can/could be done, yet the estimated costs of the engineering required were beyond consideration.

The route I chose was the simplest, cheapest, strongest and easiest to maintain.
 

Beals

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this is bad-ass, I love the sound of that engine with a blower. I have a 1jz jza70 I was thinking about going 1uz in but now I want to do it even more with an SC lol

This has to be the most original build I've ever seen. I've seen a few people do the paddle shift mod on other cars including an sc400 but to an mk4 is sweet. So I take it you used the n/a motor for higher compression? when does the full torque come on like 3500 rpm? lol
 

Rollus

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David P;1954834 said:
Excuse my delay, the thread notification had been consumed into my spam box.

Yes it can/could be done, yet the estimated costs of the engineering required were beyond consideration.

The route I chose was the simplest, cheapest, strongest and easiest to maintain.

No problem with delay.

Yep, I wished to swap valve body, bell housing & torque converter (mk4 TV won't fit in 7mgte bell) and the extension + the axle bellow in mk4 tranny :
http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_E_199210_TOYOTA_SUPRA_MA70L-BJPVZC_3510.html

The goal of this swap was to have the benefit extra sensors, and the most important, this:
http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_J_1995_TOYOTA_SUPRA_JZA80-AJPQZ_3509.html
(one less disc in mk3 tranny).

I will definitely swap the mk4 box with mk3's valve body, bell housing & torque converter. I will mod my driveshaft for that.
 

David P

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Beals;1954894 said:
this is bad-ass, I love the sound of that engine with a blower. I have a 1jz jza70 I was thinking about going 1uz in but now I want to do it even more with an SC lol

This has to be the most original build I've ever seen. I've seen a few people do the paddle shift mod on other cars including an sc400 but to an mk4 is sweet. So I take it you used the n/a motor for higher compression? when does the full torque come on like 3500 rpm? lol

Thank you. :)

The current dynograph is in post 1, yet this will soon be superseded.

I have full boost before? 3k rpm yet the torque delivery is via the torque-convertor which I am finding gives better results set @ lower rpm, the bottom 2 lines are previous mappings with the TC @ 2.8k rpm stall speed, the top 3 lines are @ 2k and I'm now running a stall speed of 1750 rpm which feels better still.

I'll soon have the manifold crack mended then going for another mapping, whilst the engine is being mapped, I plan to adjust the TC for best result.

After mapping I'll try and get a better video clip, it sounds at least a thousand times better in the flesh. :)
 

David P

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Rollus;1954913 said:
No problem with delay.

Yep, I wished to swap valve body, bell housing & torque converter (mk4 TV won't fit in 7mgte bell) and the extension + the axle bellow in mk4 tranny :
http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_E_199210_TOYOTA_SUPRA_MA70L-BJPVZC_3510.html

The goal of this swap was to have the benefit extra sensors, and the most important, this:
http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_J_1995_TOYOTA_SUPRA_JZA80-AJPQZ_3509.html
(one less disc in mk3 tranny).

I will definitely swap the mk4 box with mk3's valve body, bell housing & torque converter. I will mod my driveshaft for that.

Without visual aid, I'm lost now?

Will a 2JZA80 J3 bell-housing fit or be modified to fit an MA70?
 

David P

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Rollus,

Open a thread about your transmission project, and I'll help as I can.

I'll go and look in case you already have.