Lug nut torque

jdub

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boostadikt said:
wow....... you also know what hasn't been mentioned the fact that when you over torque with an impact and stress out the studs the next time you take them off they will snap.

i have seen it all working at discount tire, and have seen a million studs break, you know if you use an impact without a torque stick for about 3 seconds on as low as 100psi you will hit about 150 ft/lbs, the studs on our cars should never see more than about 110 MAX. the recommeded is 76 i usually torque mine to 80 ft/lbs for my little reasurance. but why would be that lazy that you cant take 30 seconds to torque and do it right.

putting on wheels and torquing them is about the easiest most common thing to do on a car, and if you are too lazy to even do that right i would not want you doing any other work on my car.

harsh?.........yes, true?.........yup my .02 cents


Yep...the wheels should be torqued. I use 80 ft/lbs myself...can't ever seem to remember the 76 number for some reason ;)
 

aznwaterboy

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lol. I usually just stand on the tire wrench and then after it doesn't move, I force it a little more. My dad has been doing that for years and never had a problem, I havn't seen a problem with it either. I'll probably go get a torque wrench later on and see how much ft/lbs that little method gives.
 

Finnon

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i cant beleive no one has mentioned that over tightening the lug nuts can cause the wheels to fracture and fall off. it has happened to me because of a useless asshole mechanic. be safe and torque the lug nuts to the recommended setting. toyota didnt specify torque settings for fun
 

Sl1dewaysSupra

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bowsercake said:
I would never go to your shop if you only use the impact gun. Precision is with the extra minute.

Use a torque wrench and set it to 76.

Did I forget to mention that we have impact extentions that limit the impacts torque to 55 ft/lbs?
 

Sl1dewaysSupra

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jetjock said:
Change for your 0.02: Those would be the torque sticks previously mentioned. Course, that would fly in the face of what you wrote earlier:

Ok, let me clarify. This is how I torque wheels. 1. While the car is still raised, (about eye level or so.) I put the wheels on and start the lug nuts by hand for the first few threads. (This way I ensure that I don't strip them when I hit them with the gun.) 2. I then ZIP them on with the impact and torque stick, wich stops at about 55 ft/lbs. 3. I lower the car so the tires just kiss the ground. This ensures the tire will seat corectly even if I happend to miss a nut with the gun. 4. I set the torque wrench to 100 ft/lbs and DOUBLE torque every lug nut. By this I mean turning the wrench until it clicks, backing the wrench up a quater of a turn and the turning it until it clicks again.(Our wrenches at work are a one way ratchet, only alowing them to tighten lug nuts not loosen them.) 5. I let the car down all the way, un-rack it and hit the wheels once more with the torque wrench. When I work on someones car I am responsable for their well being and their life. I do not take this matter lightly. I couldn't imagine being the cause of someones death from a "Wheel-Off".(This is when a wheel(s) comes off while driving due to improper torque.) Sorry for any misunderstanding.
 

boostadikt

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good clarification, you are doing everything right, EXCEPT torquing everything to 100 ft/lbs............ every car has its recommendation, and its good to follow it.
 

suprageezer

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I think you'll see that all the respectable shops are now using High Quality Torque Wrenchs due to the accidents caused in the past by using the well known, Ya I am long time master mechanic know it all and, ya that feels just about right technique. Torque Specs always have a reason. As soon as I get home from having anything done to my wheels I re-torque using my Snap-On just to be sure. Also to acheive the recommmened torque specs I use Nickel-Anti-Seize on my studs, that way I will never have to deal with the stud bonding to the wheel nut.
 

ValgeKotkas

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whaat, torque wrench?? :) Dunno, we change tires twice a year... usual wrench and we tighten the nuts till they turn... and when it seems good enough, OK to go :) No problems what so ever:)
 

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Sl1dewaysSupra said:
(snip) 4. I set the torque wrench to 100 ft/lbs and DOUBLE torque every lug nut. By this I mean turning the wrench until it clicks, backing the wrench up a quater of a turn and the turning it until it clicks again.(Our wrenches at work are a one way ratchet, only alowing them to tighten lug nuts not loosen them.) (snip)

You do know that the "click" means that the preset torque has been reached right? There is no reason to redo it after it clicks just once. I see this all the time a tire and lube places with people torques wheel nuts and then keep redoing it and "clicking". It doesn't make it any tighter than the first click. That's a good way to ruin a torque wrench there ;).
 

Sl1dewaysSupra

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P.S. Suprageezer we use Snap-on torqe wrenches at work, good stuff there. Boostadikt, I don't torque EVERYTHING to 100 ft/lbs. Just most cars and light trucks/ SUV's. I don't however torque more than 80-85 ft/lbs on four lug patterns.(Hondas, Saturns etc.)
 

boostadikt

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btw you retorque because after you have torqued one side of the wheel and move to the other side the force evens out and sometimes the first few torqued are actually less than the click. and besides its better to take the extra minute double checking than have even a slight chance of that wheel coming off trust me i have seen it.
 

Sl1dewaysSupra

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^ Exactly! Wheel offs are some are some scary shit. No way do I want to be the cause of one. I would vomit the second I found out. No joke.